Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Kenneth Burgener
I was looking for a simple external HDD enclosure and I couldn't remember, off the top of my head, if my standard desktop hard drive was the 2.5" or 3.5" size. So I pulled out the ruler, and measured the drive. It is roughly 5.5" x 4" x 1". It would seem to me that the 3.5" size is what I am loo

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 09:54 -0700, Kenneth Burgener wrote: > I was looking for a simple external HDD enclosure and I couldn't > remember, off the top of my head, if my standard desktop hard drive was > the 2.5" or 3.5" size. So I pulled out the ruler, and measured the > drive. It is roughly 5.5"

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Andrew Jorgensen
On 2/6/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was looking for a simple external HDD enclosure and I couldn't remember, off the top of my head, if my standard desktop hard drive was the 2.5" or 3.5" size. So I pulled out the ruler, and measured the drive. It is roughly 5.5" x 4" x 1".

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Joseph Hall
Oh, great. Next thing you know, there's going to be another class action lawsuit just like there was with the monitors. All the geeks already knew that a 17-inch monitor didn't refer to the viewable area, but somebody had to go and raise a stink. Next think you know, hard drives will be sold as "3

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 10:00 -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote: > It sounds like you actually need a 5.5" enclosure. Desktop systems > usually use 5.5" drive because they're faster and cheaper. Most laptops > use 3.5" drives because even though they're slower and more expensive, > they're smaller. Really s

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2007 February 06 Tuesday 10:11:44 AM -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 10:00 -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote: > > It sounds like you actually need a 5.5" enclosure. Desktop systems > > usually use 5.5" drive because they're faster and cheaper. Most laptops > > use 3.5" drives bec

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Brian Hawkins
My guess is that it refers to the width of the mounting screws. Brian Kenneth Burgener wrote: I was looking for a simple external HDD enclosure and I couldn't remember, off the top of my head, if my standard desktop hard drive was the 2.5" or 3.5" size. So I pulled out the ruler, and measured

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Kenneth Burgener
Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 09:54 -0700, Kenneth Burgener wrote: >> I was looking for a simple external HDD enclosure and I couldn't >> remember, off the top of my head, if my standard desktop hard drive was >> the 2.5" or 3.5" size. So I pulled out the ruler, and measured the >>

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Kenneth Burgener
Brian Hawkins wrote: > My guess is that it refers to the width of the mounting screws. > > Brian Interesting idea, but... There are 3 screw positions: ( ) ( ) ( ) BACK FRONT >From the first to the second is about 2.5". From the second to the third is about 1.

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Kenneth Burgener
Kenneth Burgener wrote: > I was looking for a simple external HDD enclosure and I couldn't > remember, off the top of my head, if my standard desktop hard drive was > the 2.5" or 3.5" size. So I pulled out the ruler, and measured the > drive. It is roughly 5.5" x 4" x 1". It would seem to me tha

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Brian Hawkins
I mean the distance between the screws on the bottom of the drive. The width between the screws is probably pretty close to 3.5" Brian Kenneth Burgener wrote: Brian Hawkins wrote: My guess is that it refers to the width of the mounting screws. Brian Interesting idea, but... Ther

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Kenneth Burgener
Brian Hawkins wrote: > I mean the distance between the screws on the bottom of the drive. The > width between the screws is probably pretty close to 3.5" > > Brian Oh, you mean the bottom screws you would use to mount in the enclosure? They are exactly the same distance apart (about 1.5") as t

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Brian Hawkins
No, I'm referring to the distance between the bottom screws on the left side to the bottom screws on the right side. | FRONT | || ^

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Doran Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Hawkins wrote: > No, I'm referring to the distance between the bottom screws on the left > side to the bottom screws on the right side. > > | FRONT | > |___

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Brian Hawkins
Yikes. My bad __ |FRONT | |__| ^ ^ There is that better? Brian Doran Barton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Hawkins wrote: No, I'm referring to the distan

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Brian Hawkins
OK I give up. I'll ban myself from doing ascii art ever again. Brian Brian Hawkins wrote: Yikes. My bad __ |FRONT | |__| ^ ^ There is that better? Brian Doran Barton wrote: -BEGI

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Andrew Jorgensen
On 2/6/07, Brian Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the width of the drive is 4" and each screw is inset .25" from the side that would make them 3.5" apart. Sorry, they're inset about 2.5mm (0.098"). /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/op

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Michael L Torrie
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 11:10 -0700, Doran Barton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Brian Hawkins wrote: > > No, I'm referring to the distance between the bottom screws on the left > > side to the bottom screws on the right side. > > > > |

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Andrew Jorgensen
On 2/6/07, Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyway, this thread is pretty silly. All we need to really know is that the 3.5" drives are standard desktop drives and 2.5" are laptop drives, actual dimensions and platter diameters notwithstanding. I'm told, though I have no historical

[OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Steve
Hello again everyone, While designing my new MUD server I ran into a design problem that I'm hoping someone here has had experience with. Specifically, I currently keep track of clients in a hashmap, with the hash being comprised of their IP address and port. This works very well until multiple

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Nicholas Leippe
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 12:42, Steve wrote: > Hello again everyone, > While designing my new MUD server I ran into a design problem that I'm > hoping someone here has had experience with. > > Specifically, I currently keep track of clients in a hashmap, with the > hash being comprised of their

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Bryan Sant
On 2/6/07, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Specifically, I currently keep track of clients in a hashmap, with the hash being comprised of their IP address and port. When you say, "their IP and port", you're meaning source IP address and source port (not the destination port) right? Using a so

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Levi Pearson
Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello again everyone, > While designing my new MUD server I ran into a design problem that I'm > hoping someone here has had experience with. > > Specifically, I currently keep track of clients in a hashmap, with the > hash being comprised of their IP address an

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Steve
Well the reason for using UDP is to see if I could do it using UDP. Since UDP uses individual datagrams for communications in much the same way as the mail system works, it makes a whole lot more sense to me, to use UDP because in my design, my players don't technically need to have a "connection"

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Bryan Sant
On 2/4/07, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Solution: Use TCP. Keeping track of connections is what it was designed for, and fortunately pretty much all network hardware is designed to work with TCP connections, so you don't have to hack your way around them. What Steve wants to do can

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Steve
What about TCP limitations such as maximum connection counts etc. How would I go about handling that or getting around it? On 2/6/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/4/07, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Solution: Use TCP. Keeping track of connections is what it was > desig

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Bryan Sant
On 2/6/07, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What about TCP limitations such as maximum connection counts etc. How would I go about handling that or getting around it? You can't. You can only handle 2^16 - n TCP connections at the same time. If you're planning on having more than ~6 concur

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Levi Pearson
"Bryan Sant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What Steve wants to do can be done with UDP. It's the layer 3 part of > the TCP/IP stack that handles source/destination address:port > information. UDP is built on IP (and TCP is built on UDP), so Steve > can keep a unique list of users based on a sour

Re: Why are external HDD enclosures advertised as 3.5"

2007-02-06 Thread Brandon Stout
Joseph Hall wrote: > Oh, great. Next thing you know, there's going to be another class > action lawsuit just like there was with the monitors. All the geeks > already knew that a 17-inch monitor didn't refer to the viewable area, > but somebody had to go and raise a stink. Next think you know, har

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Dave Smith
Steve wrote: Has anyone run up against trying to handle multiple UDP clients through a NAT? And if so, what solutions did you come up with? I've read most of the responses so far, so maybe this has been mentioned. Just a long shot really, but have you read about how Skype and other protocols

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread plug . org
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Bryan Sant wrote: > You can't. You can only handle 2^16 - n TCP connections at the same > time. Where does this limitation come from? One might be tempted to relate the maximum number of TCP connections to the 16-bit size of a TCP port number, but that doesn't work because

SQLAlchemy at Python user group Thursday

2007-02-06 Thread Jonathan Ellis
I'll be presenting on SQLAlchemy at the utah python user group on the 9th at 7:30 in American Fork. SQLAlchemy is the object-relational mapper recently adopted by GNU Mailman among other more Python-specific projects such as TurboGears. Unlike with simpler rowset mappers, it's pretty difficult to

Re: SQLAlchemy at Python user group Thursday

2007-02-06 Thread plug . org
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > I'll be presenting on SQLAlchemy at the utah python user group on the > 9th at 7:30 in American Fork. utahphython.org says the meeting is on the 8th at 7:00pm. On which date and time should I rely? Chris /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenod

Re: [OT] Handling multiple UDP clients through NAT

2007-02-06 Thread Erik R. Jensen
Bryan Sant wrote: UDP is built on IP (and TCP is built on UDP) TCP and UDP are both built on IP. TCP is not built on UDP. TCP and UDP are peer protocols. I apologize if it was just a typo, but wanted to clarify. -- Erik R. Jensen /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscr

Re: SQLAlchemy at Python user group Thursday

2007-02-06 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:42:30 -0700 (MST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Jonathan Ellis wrote:> > I'll be presenting on SQLAlchemy > at the utah python user group on the > > 9th at 7:30 in American Fork. > > utahphython.org says the meeting is on the 8th at 7:00pm. On which date >