Re: Isolationist vs. Non-Interventionist [was: Re: HB 139]

2008-01-25 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 11:53:18AM -0700, Bryan Sant wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 6:29 PM, Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can understand that. Free trade != "fair trade". "Fair trade" is a > > euphemism for massive government intervention into international (and > > hence domestic) tra

Re: [OT] Using telephone calls to influence government (being heard)

2008-01-25 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 02:38:50PM -0700, Gabriel Gunderson wrote: > > To emphasize his point, Baugh announced his cell phone number to the > crowd and encouraged them to call: 801-602-1681." I'm not too creative, but I could imagine that backfiring. :) -- Andrew McNabb http://www.mcnabbs.org/a

Re: [OT] Using telephone calls to influence government (being heard)

2008-01-25 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 12:52 -0700, Lars Rasmussen wrote: > I was very encouraged by the immediate response and look forward to > the follow up. I would encourage others to call - not just email - > their representatives & senators(locally & nationally), and if given > the chance, to meet with them

Re: It's official mail travels slower than snails.

2008-01-25 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 01:48:34PM -0700, Steve wrote: > I found this article today, and thought it made for a good case for > corporate email vs using the postal service. > Also thought it might brighten everyones day. > http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2423750920080124?feedType

It's official mail travels slower than snails.

2008-01-25 Thread Steve
I found this article today, and thought it made for a good case for corporate email vs using the postal service. Also thought it might brighten everyones day. http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2423750920080124?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&rpc=69&sp=true Sincerely, Steve

Re: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, January 25

2008-01-25 Thread William Attwood
Count me in --Will On Jan 25, 2008 1:20 PM, Ryan Simpkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For your enjoyment... > > Someone out there might be interested in the review offer they are making > - > kinda tempting. Get a free book if you promise to write a review about it > on > plug.org. Get with me

Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, January 25

2008-01-25 Thread Ryan Simpkins
For your enjoyment... Someone out there might be interested in the review offer they are making - kinda tempting. Get a free book if you promise to write a review about it on plug.org. Get with me if you are interested. O'Reilly New

[OT] Using telephone calls to influence government (being heard)

2008-01-25 Thread Lars Rasmussen
Yesterday I made a couple of calls to my senators' offices to oppose immunity/amnesty for telecommunications companies. https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?alertId=357&pg=makeACall I spoke with low level employees, but I at least hope my call was tallied and that call tallies on issues/bills are

UDBUG's February Meeting Combined With UPHPU

2008-01-25 Thread Brandon Stout
I erroneously announced UDBUGs February meeting would be on the fourth Thursday in February. Actually, we are having a combined meeting with UPHPU. I'll post details on UDBUG soon. When I do, you can find it here: http://udbug.org/event The details will also be on UPHPU.org: http://uphpu.

Re: :)

2008-01-25 Thread Jason Edwards
Wrong Jason? ;-) On Jan 25, 2008 12:07 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Jason Hall [Fri, 25 Jan 2008 at 11:37 -0700] > > an aside from the plug threads, just so you know. RP is my second choice > > atm. But there are a few things that irk me lurking behind him. > > > > just so you k

Re: [OT] Economic stimulus and long term prosperity

2008-01-25 Thread Von Fugal
Yet another inadvertent reply to sender only. NO do NOT reinstitute reply-to munging! >> Speaking of Ron Paul, economics, government waste, and wars in bad >> taste... Ron Paul, incidentally, just came out with his plan for economic >> stimulus and long term reform. >> >> http://www.ronpaul2008.co

Re: [OT] Economic stimulus and long term prosperity

2008-01-25 Thread Carl Youngblood
He likes it. You would be able to tell if you looked at the proposal and saw that Von's complaints are directed at the exact opposite of what Dr. Paul recommends. On Jan 24, 2008 10:22 PM, Jonathan Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I find it completely rediculous that the powers that be answe

Re: :)

2008-01-25 Thread Von Fugal
* Jason Hall [Fri, 25 Jan 2008 at 11:37 -0700] > an aside from the plug threads, just so you know. RP is my second choice > atm. But there are a few things that irk me lurking behind him. > > just so you know I'm not trying to rip on him, I just have to perk up when > things I have a background

Re: [OT] Foreign Policy

2008-01-25 Thread Von Fugal
* Jason Hall [Fri, 25 Jan 2008 at 11:29 -0700] > On Jan 25, 2008 11:05 AM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Certainly not equally. Google for dollar value, and see what your > > precious fiat is worth. > > If you'd please note, I said I don't like fiat currencies. I'm merely > stat

Re: Isolationist vs. Non-Interventionist [was: Re: HB 139]

2008-01-25 Thread Bryan Sant
On Jan 24, 2008 6:29 PM, Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can understand that. Free trade != "fair trade". "Fair trade" is a > euphemism for massive government intervention into international (and > hence domestic) trade, which a free trader would oppose. As The > Economist has pointed

Re: HB 139 (Wireless Internet Access Requirements, Chief Sponsor: Bradley M. Daw)

2008-01-25 Thread Steve
I still think editors on in the nano, joe and pico family are the best. They are quite certainly the easiest to use ;) On Jan 25, 2008 11:22 AM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Jonathan Duncan [Fri, 25 Jan 2008 at 11:13 -0700] > > Oh, right, sorry. =) Top posting is BETTER! and VIM rule

Re: HB 139 (Wireless Internet Access Requirements, Chief Sponsor: Bradley M. Daw)

2008-01-25 Thread Von Fugal
* Jonathan Duncan [Fri, 25 Jan 2008 at 11:13 -0700] > Oh, right, sorry. =) Top posting is BETTER! and VIM rules! Case in point, we all want to communicate and share ideas, some methods are just better than others. Von Fugal signature.asc Description: Digital signature /* PLUG: http://plug.or

Re: [OT] Foreign Policy

2008-01-25 Thread Von Fugal
* Jason Hall [Fri, 25 Jan 2008 at 09:14 -0700] > On Jan 24, 2008 10:38 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Justin Findlay [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 21:45 -0700] > > > > Getting off the gold standard is bad. > > > > > > I guess we've been in a bad situation for the past 112 years. > > > >

Re: HB 139 (Wireless Internet Access Requirements, Chief Sponsor: Bradley M. Daw)

2008-01-25 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On 25 Jan 2008, at 11:12, Von Fugal wrote: We all want the same thing, we all want good lives and a stable economy/country, safety, etc. Oh wait, most polititians just want money and power. But I guess you could still say polititians all want the same thing in the end. But the polititians

Re: HB 139 (Wireless Internet Access Requirements, Chief Sponsor: Bradley M. Daw)

2008-01-25 Thread Jonathan Duncan
Oh, right, sorry. =) Top posting is BETTER! and VIM rules! On 25 Jan 2008, at 11:04, Levi Pearson wrote: Jonathan Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Most of them not addressing the same thing in the same way as those they are refuting. I find that very often when we think we are arguing fo

Re: HB 139 (Wireless Internet Access Requirements, Chief Sponsor: Bradley M. Daw)

2008-01-25 Thread Von Fugal
* Jonathan Duncan [Fri, 25 Jan 2008 at 09:16 -0700] > > On 24 Jan 2008, at 19:45, Nathan wrote: > >> As for the other candidates, I am not sure who I am voting for yet. >> but there are a few (not just republicans) that I agree with more than >> Ron Paul. Not everyone holds the same ideals. Not

Re: HB 139 (Wireless Internet Access Requirements, Chief Sponsor: Bradley M. Daw)

2008-01-25 Thread Levi Pearson
Jonathan Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Most of them not addressing the same thing in the same way as those > they are refuting. I find that very often when we think we are > arguing for or against something that someone else said, we do not > fully understand what the other has actually m

[OT] Currency Was: Foreign Policy

2008-01-25 Thread Nicholas Leippe
Technically speaking, there never was a singular "gold standard". There is a silver standard, and there was a bi-metallic standard of gold and silver. I encourage you all to read this very enlightening discourse on the history of our currency, which begins with the constitution and steps through

Re: HB 139 (Wireless Internet Access Requirements, Chief Sponsor: Bradley M. Daw)

2008-01-25 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On 24 Jan 2008, at 19:45, Nathan wrote: As for the other candidates, I am not sure who I am voting for yet. but there are a few (not just republicans) that I agree with more than Ron Paul. Not everyone holds the same ideals. Not everyone agrees on the same issues. That is what makes this co

Re: [OT] Foreign Policy

2008-01-25 Thread Jason Hall
On Jan 24, 2008 10:38 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Justin Findlay [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 21:45 -0700] > > > Getting off the gold standard is bad. > > > > I guess we've been in a bad situation for the past 112 years. > > As a matter of fact... > Actually the Gold standard has more t

Re: [OT] Foreign Policy

2008-01-25 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2008 January 24 Thursday 10:38:25 PM -0700, Von Fugal wrote: > > I guess we've been in a bad situation for the past 112 years. > > As a matter of fact... What? The suspense is driving me mad. Justin /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman

Re: [OT] Foreign Policy

2008-01-25 Thread Mister E
Man, I didn't really want to hear what some of ya'all had to say on a lot of this. I feel like a pollster trying to sift through this email thread madness. It was better when I didn't know some of the insanity that we call diverse opinions on this list. It makes me want to work with some and