> Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > And unless one is atheist, one believes those rights come directly from
> > God or The Creator (as hinted at in the Declaration of Independence).
> > But then, who ever reads such antiquated documents anyway?
>
> Even atheists can give ratio
> Well, I'm talking about the government we currently have, and I've
> talked about the taxes I currently pay and how our current tax system
> works. You're talking about some hypothetical government that doesn't
> currently exist and which you claim would be much better than our
> current one.
Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> You are assuming that minimal government would not work.
>
I am saying that under the kind of government you propose, we would
be, in general, worse off in the long run than with the general kind
we have now (so long as we stop the warmongering, at least).
Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You seem to be confusing me with an anarchist. Such is not the case. My
> rights end where yours begin, right? If you misconstrue where your
> rights begin, how is that any different from me misconstrueing where
> mine end?
Did you not read the paragraph bel
Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Then call them priviledges so we don't all get confused.
>
How about you learn to use the long-established legal terms, eh? You
don't get to redefine the legal vocabulary just because you feel like
stepping a few hundred years into the past.
Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> And unless one is atheist, one believes those rights come directly from
> God or The Creator (as hinted at in the Declaration of Independence).
> But then, who ever reads such antiquated documents anyway?
Even atheists can give rational justificati
> Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> In the case of ugly houses, just what right is being violated
> >> exactly??
> >
> > I suppose it depends on how one defines what a right is. Many people
> > often confuse rights with privileges. In a very basic example, if I own
> > a
> Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > But the average IS 30.8%, with a much lower median thanks to the
> > progressive scale, but an average is an average, and on average
> > americans would have 40% more income to throw around. That is a lot even
> > if not for you personally. I promise the
> Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> Clearly, there's a balance to be struck between free market forces and
> >> government regulation. If you don't agree with that premise, I don't
> >> know what to tell you.
> >
> > Please don't ignore our comments about proper government roles. I
Thus said Levi Pearson on Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:32:47 MDT:
> Your idea about 'proper government roles' is too narrow and
> short-sighted.
And yours is broad and enlightened of course...
> I'm sure you understand this, I just want to make it clear that
> liberty is necessarily lim
Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> In the case of ugly houses, just what right is being violated
>> exactly??
>
> I suppose it depends on how one defines what a right is. Many people
> often confuse rights with privileges. In a very basic example, if I own
> a piece of prope
Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But the average IS 30.8%, with a much lower median thanks to the
> progressive scale, but an average is an average, and on average
> americans would have 40% more income to throw around. That is a lot even
> if not for you personally. I promise the economy de
Thus said Von Fugal on Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:50:24 MDT:
> The role of government is to protect rights. Pray tell, what rights
> are being violated? The right to buy your dream home? /me peruses the
> constitution... sorry, no such right.
And unless one is atheist, one believes those rights com
Thus said Dave Smith on Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:43:16 MDT:
> Are you sure you pay 40% of your income to taxes?
Whether or not he pays that much, there certainly are people that do.
Indeed, I believe the average is somewhere around that much. On average,
Americans are working for government up un
Thus said Von Fugal on Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:05:46 MDT:
> As to the rest of your post, yes, sometimes it is necessary to go
> higher up, to make federal laws (like murder is a crime, etc).
Actually, I believe murder is not a federal issue (when was the last
time you saw federal agents at a
Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I see where you're coming from, and I've already conceded that sometimes
> it can make sense *if* you actually wouldn't mind who you're voting for
> in office (as apposed to _not_ that other guy). You should understand my
> context in this argument which is t
Thus said Justin Findlay on Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:55:49 MDT:
> Somehow I doubt private corporations would have been altruistic enough
> to let the thing become what it has without their trying to justify it
> quarter by quarter by crafting up ways to draw money out of it for
> their shareholders
Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Clearly, there's a balance to be struck between free market forces and
>> government regulation. If you don't agree with that premise, I don't
>> know what to tell you.
>
> Please don't ignore our comments about proper government roles. I just
> want peo
Thus said Levi Pearson on Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:05:10 MDT:
> You've got a distrust of government that borders on paranoia, and
> apparently a pretty narrow view of political and economic philosophy
> as evidenced by your repeated contrast of pure capitalism with pure
> socialism.
How abou
> Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> Are you sure you pay 40% of your income to taxes?
> >>
> >> I tracked all my taxes for a month (every piece of tax: sales tax,
> >> property tax, gasoline tax, income tax, social security tax, phone bill
> >> taxes, etc), and it wasn't that hig
Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> Are you sure you pay 40% of your income to taxes?
>>
>> I tracked all my taxes for a month (every piece of tax: sales tax,
>> property tax, gasoline tax, income tax, social security tax, phone bill
>> taxes, etc), and it wasn't that high.
>
> Interest
> Von Fugal wrote:
>> Not bad for pulling a number out of the air, if I do say so myself.
>
> Easy there. No one's attacking you (at least I'm not anyway). It *was*
> an honest question. I know exactly how much of my income goes to tax
> each year, and it's not 40%.
And I was pointing out tha
Von Fugal wrote:
Not bad for pulling a number out of the air, if I do say so myself.
Easy there. No one's attacking you (at least I'm not anyway). It *was*
an honest question. I know exactly how much of my income goes to tax
each year, and it's not 40%. Wikipedia editors can write what they w
> So yes, Americans in general are at fault. But so are developers. And
> city councils. When you get down to it, developers are doing nothing
> wrong. They're maximizing profit. Saying they're greedy isn't an insult,
> it's a statement of fact our economic system is built around. The role
> of th
> Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > And how the hell do you know how many people are or aren't doing
> > "strategic" voting?? Second guessing, I rest my case.
> >
>
> They make these things called 'opinion polls', and they do a pretty
> good job of measuring the opinions of the genera
> So, how about what happens when there are absolutely no government
> regulations on how business is conducted? You get child labor, abuse
> of employees, rampant pollution, unsafe working conditions, and all
> sorts of other problems. Capitalism doesn't really care about these
> things, becaus
> Von Fugal wrote:
>> I'm all for scientific advancement, but 40% of my income is an aweful
>> lot. If everyone in the country was 40% wealthier... well, use your
>> imagination.
>
> Are you sure you pay 40% of your income to taxes?
>
> I tracked all my taxes for a month (every piece of tax: sales
Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would rather be free of oppression in a different time[line] with less
> technology, and that makes me ignorant? "Give me liberty or give me less
> innovation" <- gee, what a bum! But wait, that sounds not nearly as
> 'radical' as "Give me liberty or give m
"Derek Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Anyone have any suggestions as to how I could interact with this
> machine? Really I just need to get it booting off a CD so that I can
> run the Gentoo liveCD and fire up SSH.
>
First, ditch HyperTerminal and get TeraTerm. From what I've found,
the H
> On AD 2008 June 27 Friday 11:37:54 AM -0600, Von Fugal wrote:
> > In all honesty, as great as computers and internets are, I would rather
> > be woodworking or some such and keeping the fruits of my labors than
> > working in this awesome field only to support our glorious imperialists.
> > The
As Stephen mentioned last week, my company needs to get our product
working on an HP RISC machine. Our machine finally arrived, but I have
no idea how to use it. :) There is nowhere to plug in a monitor and I
couldn't find any PCI slots. (Or AGP. or PCI express. Or ISA) All I
could find was a seria
On Fri, June 27, 2008 4:16 pm, Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:
> +++ Charles Curley [27/06/08 16:06 -0600]:
>>
>> I don't know about etch, but Ubuntu stores it in /boot/grub/menu.lst.
>>
>> If those both fail, something like this should work:
>>
>> find /boot -iname menu.lst
>>
>> or similarly for grub.
+++ Charles Curley [27/06/08 16:06 -0600]:
>
> I don't know about etch, but Ubuntu stores it in /boot/grub/menu.lst.
>
> If those both fail, something like this should work:
>
> find /boot -iname menu.lst
>
> or similarly for grub.conf
My config file appears to be /boot/grub/menu.lst. The thin
+++ Matthew Walker [27/06/08 16:10 -0600]:
>
> Hrm. Your distro puts it somewhere else then. What distro are you using, and
> maybe I can
> find something about where they store that file.
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The NeT
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 03:35:13PM -0600, Matthew Walker wrote:
>
> On Fri, June 27, 2008 3:31 pm, Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:
> > I have a GRUB question > When I reboot my primary mail server machine,
> > running etch, it brings up the various kernels and if I just hit enter or
> > let it time out
Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:
+++ Matthew Walker [27/06/08 15:35 -0600]:
/boot/grub.conf is the usual spot for this.
I checked in /boot, for grub.conf and find no such file.
Any other ideas?
scott
Is it mounted? You could try:
mount /dev/sda1 /boot
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Hrm. Your distro puts it somewhere else then. What distro are you using, and
maybe I can
find something about where they store that file.
On Fri, June 27, 2008 4:08 pm, Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:
> +++ Matthew Walker [27/06/08 15:35 -0600]:
>>
>
>> /boot/grub.conf is the usual spot for this.
>>
>
+++ Matthew Walker [27/06/08 15:35 -0600]:
>
> /boot/grub.conf is the usual spot for this.
>
I checked in /boot, for grub.conf and find no such file.
Any other ideas?
scott
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:24:42 -0600, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope, I've switched jobs since then, and my previous employer is now
> defunct. In what way did using the diff from the post not work for
> creating a patch?
I just did a copy paste of the diff in the email into a fil
On Fri, June 27, 2008 3:31 pm, Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:
> I have a GRUB question > When I reboot my primary mail server machine,
> running etch, it brings up the various kernels and if I just hit enter or
> let it time out and roll forward, it halts.
>
> I have to hit e on the desired kernel to l
I have a GRUB question > When I reboot my primary mail server machine,
running etch, it brings up the various kernels and if I just hit enter or
let it time out and roll forward, it halts.
I have to hit e on the desired kernel to load, then edit the location, which
defaults to 2,0. I edit it to 0
Mike Lovell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is this the thread you mean?
> https://mail.gna.org/public/conman-users/2007-08/msg0.html
> I had looked briefly at conman but haven't tried setting it up yet. So I
> guess it is time for me to do that. I tried to create a patch from that
> post but I c
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:31:15 -0600, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The ipmitool project seemed to go pretty stagnant while I was
> following things, and FreeIPMI seemed to be where all the action was
> at. My solution was to take 'conman', a program for connecting to
> serial concentr
Dave Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Are you sure you pay 40% of your income to taxes?
>
> I tracked all my taxes for a month (every piece of tax: sales tax,
> property tax, gasoline tax, income tax, social security tax, phone
> bill taxes, etc), and it wasn't that high.
There you go bringing
On AD 2008 June 27 Friday 11:37:54 AM -0600, Von Fugal wrote:
> In all honesty, as great as computers and internets are, I would rather
> be woodworking or some such and keeping the fruits of my labors than
> working in this awesome field only to support our glorious imperialists.
> The awesomeness
Von Fugal wrote:
I'm all for scientific advancement, but 40% of my income is an aweful
lot. If everyone in the country was 40% wealthier... well, use your
imagination.
Are you sure you pay 40% of your income to taxes?
I tracked all my taxes for a month (every piece of tax: sales tax,
property
Mike Lovell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:11:48 -0600, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use ipmitool and ipmiutil. It seems like both have varying levels of
> suckiness associated with them so I am open to something else.
The ipmitool project seemed to go pretty
mike wrote:
The problem is with the GRUB configuration for a serial port. If I
reboot a machine and have a SOL console connected, the machine reboots
fine. But if I don't have a SOL console connected, the machine sits at the
grub menu waiting for me to select a boot option. It completely ignores
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:11:48 -0600, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Awesome, I used to do a lot of IPMI-related stuff.
>
Good to hear I'm not the only person crazy enough to use IPMI.
>
> What tools are you using? I might be able to recommend better ones.
>
I use ipmitool and i
mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have 27 machines that I have installed Debian Etch on. All of them have
> an IPMI card and I use the IPMI Serial-over-LAN (SOL) functionality to see
> the output of the console remotely.
Awesome, I used to do a lot of IPMI-related stuff.
> Unfortunately, the
I guess it is about time we actually had a technical question posted to the
list. :)
I have 27 machines that I have installed Debian Etch on. All of them have
an IPMI card and I use the IPMI Serial-over-LAN (SOL) functionality to see
the output of the console remotely. Unfortunately, the tools for
> On AD 2008 June 26 Thursday 10:47:43 PM -0600, Andy Bradford wrote:
> > So, you truly believe that communication mechanisms like the
> > ``Internet'' would have never come about without the omniscient,
> > omnipotent government? Imagine how much innovation and discovery cou
> Andy Bradford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Actually, this is wrong. Government does not make hidden costs apparent,
> > and indeed actually hides costs. There are ample examples of cases in
> > which the government didn't recognize property rights and ruled in favor
> > of socializing
> Bryan Sant wrote:
>>
>> But why can we not expect the mistreated
>> employee to excersize choice for themselves, quit and find another job
>> and/or sue their employer?
>
>There's two parts to this question. I'll deal with the easy part
> first. In order for an employee to sue thei
Jacob Fugal wrote:
Woah woah woah. You're not using the technique that was advocated.
What Hans and Jason were referring to is flip *all* the coins. If the
full result is outside the range, reflip *all* the coins. In your
implementation, you only reflip the most recent coin when the result
is ou
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 09:06 -0600, Jacob Fugal wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Corey Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Everybody counts off 1-$MAX
> >> Flip a coin, Heads sets the bit, tails is a blank bit.
> >> Flip until you have the bits necessary to represent $MAX
> >> Congrats,
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Corey Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Everybody counts off 1-$MAX
>> Flip a coin, Heads sets the bit, tails is a blank bit.
>> Flip until you have the bits necessary to represent $MAX
>> Congrats, you have a number for the winner of the first item.
>
> Somethi
Corey Edwards wrote:
Something about that method just didn't sit right with me. Seemed like
some numbers would come out more often than others. So I sat down and
coded up a simulator to see if I was right. According to my results,
this particular distribution method unfairly favors some numbers
w
-Snip losa good stuff-
Is it immoral for someone pursue a course of
> work for which there is no financial motivation whatsoever? I submit
> that not only is it moral but it is crucial to the progress of society.
>
-Snip more good stuff-
> I seriously doubt privatized research would have the pat
On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 09:28 -0600, Jason Hall wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Andrew Jorgensen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What's the process on the binary grab bag? It's been a while.
>
> Everybody counts off 1-$MAX
> Flip a coin, Heads sets the bit, tails is a blank bit.
> Flip u
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