Last post on plug regarding the working group so we can free up some
bandwidth for others.
As an interim jumpstart measure I have established a Google group
called dotdotdotdot...@googlegroups.com
(think org)
It's a stupid name I know, but Google is evidently running seriously
low on names for
> Hmmm... if we want to be related to criminals. lol
>
> How about something heroic, like: "The Internet Freedom Force"
Ok lets try a different tact.
Does anyone have a spare domain name laying around that they would
care to donate to the cause? Preferably with a .org TLD?
I'm sure we have eno
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:41:11 -0600
Steven Morrey wrote:
> I think adding personal liability at the executive level, makes it a
> bit more threatening.
> Decision makers tend to tread lightly, where the veil is thin.
It would tend toward personal responsibility. A friend of my family was
a stock
> That is a bit broad. Are you speaking of any and every company? Are we
> talking about just ecommerce or security of every kind? Or was that just an
> analogy of how ridiculous it is to expect average Internet end users to be
> able to completely lock down their house and all their electron
On 26 Apr 2011, at 17:19, Steven Morrey wrote:
> We need a law that makes companies and their principles directly, financially
> and criminally liable with prison time for the fall out from their lax
> security.
>
> What they are doing is aiding and abetting criminals.
>
> It certainly needs
On 27 Apr 2011, at 19:50, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Alan Young wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 18:44, Steven Morrey wrote:
>>> Since the galvanizing event was an article from buffalo new york, i want to
>>> make a motion that we adopt a name and that the nam
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Alan Young wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 18:44, Steven Morrey wrote:
>> Since the galvanizing event was an article from buffalo new york, i want to
>> make a motion that we adopt a name and that the name be The Buffalo Group.
>> It has a very strong feel, it
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 18:44, Steven Morrey wrote:
> Since the galvanizing event was an article from buffalo new york, i want to
> make a motion that we adopt a name and that the name be The Buffalo Group.
> It has a very strong feel, its a name full of imagery and americana. I have
> not ye
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 17:21, Charles Curley
wrote:
> Which I think is what you wanted.
Nah ... I was responding to Mr. Nitpicky. 's?he|it' gets my point
across just as well, though I'm beginning to like '\b((s?he)|it)\b'
the more I look at it.
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Hey everyone this is my last post to here on the topic of the working group.
Then i will move it out of band.
I am really impressed, overwhelmed actually by the level of response. I think
it's time to give this pot a handle so as to get a domain name and move this
groups discussions off from
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:35:12 -0600
Alan Young wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 15:59, Charles Curley
> wrote:
> >> '\b((s?he)|it)\b'
> >
> > Let's see it from the command line so we know which .?grep you used.
>
> $ echo 'there sit she' | egrep --color '\b((s?he)|it)\b'
> there sit she
>
> $
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 16:54, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> Heh... because that's worked so well for the PLUG!
yeah, well ... :]
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Alan Young wrote:
> I think any topic should be allowed, but general interest of the group
> should define how much effort is put into discussion.
Heh... because that's worked so well for the PLUG!
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Guess i should try and clarify that thought. It is my opinion that any topic
which requires deep technical insight and understanding said understanding
coming from discussion of the topic would be fair game.
"Daniel C." wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Steven Morrey wrote:
>> The way
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 16:45, Daniel C. wrote:
> Any topic? ANY? Because I have strong feelings about laws regarding
> fur harvesting... (I think we should limit it to technology-related
> issues.)
I think any topic should be allowed, but general interest of the group
should define how much e
On 04/27/2011 04:42 PM, Steven Morrey wrote:
> The way i envision it any topic is fair game for discussion. People would
> just be notified of a new topic via an atom feed and then subscribe to the
> topic to participate in the debate. Im still trying to formulate a method
> for establishing
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Steven Morrey wrote:
> The way i envision it any topic is fair game for discussion.
Any topic? ANY? Because I have strong feelings about laws regarding
fur harvesting... (I think we should limit it to technology-related
issues.)
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On 04/27/2011 03:30 PM, Richard Esplin wrote:
> If you want to make a difference at a caucus, you need to do a lot of work in
> advance. Long before the event the party machinery has already picked issues
> and winners. I'm not sure how to make a difference given the structure of the
> current
The way i envision it any topic is fair game for discussion. People would just
be notified of a new topic via an atom feed and then subscribe to the topic to
participate in the debate. Im still trying to formulate a method for
establishing consensus but any letter of consensus would likely bar
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 15:59, Charles Curley
wrote:
>> '\b((s?he)|it)\b'
>
> Let's see it from the command line so we know which .?grep you used.
$ echo 'there sit she' | egrep --color '\b((s?he)|it)\b'
there sit she
$ echo 'there sit she' | sed -r 's/\b((s?he)|it)\b/Matched: "\1"/;'
there si
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:41:15 -0600
Alan Young wrote:
> > amcnabb@sage:~ :) echo "sit" |egrep "s?he|it"
> > sit
> > amcnabb@sage:~ :)
>
> *Fine*
>
> '\b((s?he)|it)\b'
Let's see it from the command line so we know which .?grep you used.
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On 4/27/11 1:16 PM, Jacob Albretsen wrote:
> I have tried that before and puppet can do it. But when I read about
> inheritance yesterday, I tried it this other way. So either way works, I'm
> questioning which one way "better" or "more correct" as far as Puppet is
> concerned.
I remember being
or as Isaac Asimov says: he or she or it
shorten to h-or-sh-it
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Alan Young wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:42, Charles Curley
> wrote:
>> Or that [he|she|it] has great forbearance.
>
> I like 's?he|it' better ...
>
> yeahbut forbearance of what? my annihilati
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 14:10, Andrew McNabb wrote:
> Unfortunately:
>
> amcnabb@sage:~ :) echo "sit" |egrep "s?he|it"
> sit
> amcnabb@sage:~ :)
*Fine*
'\b((s?he)|it)\b'
:>
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:52:00 -0600
Steven Morrey wrote:
> We've had many discussions lately on public policy issues and just how
> bad the repercussions can get.
> It seems to me that there are a lot of people on this list with a good
> sense of the issues at hand.
> Many of us appear to have a d
Last time Hatch was up for re-election I registered as a Republican and went to
the caucus and primary to do what I could to get rid of him. I was disappointed.
My experience with that Utah County Republican Caucus was that if you don't
have the same opinion as everyone else, no one is going to
>> Unfortunately:
>>
>> amcnabb@sage:~ :) echo "sit" |egrep "s?he|it"
>> sit
>
>Perhaps, but:
>echo "sit" | sed -r 's/.*(s?he|it).*/Matched: "\1"/;'
>Or if you're using a reasonable version of grep:
>$ echo "sit" | egrep --color "s?he|it"
Or, even if you don't have color:
$ echo "sit" | egrep "s
On Tue, Apr 26, Steven Morrey wrote:
> I believe that we have the duty and the obligation to bring a broader
> sense of understanding into the world, because that world will be the
> inheritance of our children and grand children and some of us, even
> those without children, may end up living in t
On 04/27/2011 03:13 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
>
> A valid idea. Though I am registered as unaffiliated with any party because
> I got fed up with "party politics".
>
You do not need to be registered with the state as party member in order
to participate in a caucus. AFAIK the only reason y
On 27 Apr 2011, at 15:00, Kyle Waters wrote:
> On 04/27/2011 02:00 PM, Steven Morrey wrote:
>> I agree there doesnt need to be strictly utah and it makes sense to do so.
>> But lets start here.
>
>
> I think focussing on Utah will set this group apart from the EFF. Also
> I think a more foc
Agreed. Though I was checking out Nicholas's reference to EFF. Very
interesting. From the brief look I have had so far, perhaps what you/we are
considering starting to eventually be a local grass roots branch of that.
On 27 Apr 2011, at 14:00, Steven Morrey wrote:
> I agree there doesnt ne
On 04/27/2011 02:00 PM, Steven Morrey wrote:
> I agree there doesnt need to be strictly utah and it makes sense to do so.
> But lets start here.
I think focussing on Utah will set this group apart from the EFF. Also
I think a more focused effort on our three(soon to be four) congressmen
and
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 02:19:55PM -0600, Stuart Jansen wrote:
>
> Perhaps, but:
>
> echo "sit" | sed -r 's/.*(s?he|it).*/Matched: "\1"/;'
>
> Or if you're using a reasonable version of grep:
>
> $ echo "sit" | egrep --color "s?he|it"
I stand corrected. Thanks.
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On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 14:10 -0600, Andrew McNabb wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:54:53PM -0600, Alan Young wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:42, Charles Curley
> > wrote:
> > > Or that [he|she|it] has great forbearance.
> > I like 's?he|it' better ...
>
> Unfortunately:
>
> amcnabb@sage:
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:54:53PM -0600, Alan Young wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:42, Charles Curley
> wrote:
> > Or that [he|she|it] has great forbearance.
>
> I like 's?he|it' better ...
Unfortunately:
amcnabb@sage:~ :) echo "sit" |egrep "s?he|it"
sit
amcnabb@sage:~ :)
So close. :)
-
I agree there doesnt need to be strictly utah and it makes sense to do so. But
lets start here.
Jonathan Duncan wrote:
>
>On 27 Apr 2011, at 10:48, John Shaver wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Steven Morrey wrote:
>>> Is anyone interested in joining me on this?
>>
>> Yes, though I
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:42, Charles Curley
wrote:
> Or that [he|she|it] has great forbearance.
I like 's?he|it' better ...
yeahbut forbearance of what? my annihilation or letting me have my head? :>
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Jacob Albretsen wrote:
> I have tried that before and puppet can do it. But when I read about
> inheritance yesterday, I tried it this other way. So either way works, I'm
> questioning which one way "better" or "more correct" as far as Puppet is
> concerned.
I
On Wednesday 27 April 2011, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> From a purely theoretical perspective (dunno if puppet allows you to
> do it this way), I would suggest a base class that only holds stuff
> that is in common between both configurations, then derive two
> classes--one for each variation. Then yo
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:44:25 -0600
Alan Young wrote:
> My existence only proves that God has a twisted sense of humour, not
> that he exists.
Or that [he|she|it] has great forbearance.
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>From a purely theoretical perspective (dunno if puppet allows you to
do it this way), I would suggest a base class that only holds stuff
that is in common between both configurations, then derive two
classes--one for each variation. Then you don't have any chance of
forgetting to override somethin
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:41, Daniel C. wrote:
> I'm convinced. Next up: Proof that God exists, courtesy of our very
> own Alan Young.
My existence only proves that God has a twisted sense of humour, not
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Alan Young wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 03:14, Daniel C. wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Alan Young wrote:
>>> Perpetual imprisonment is a form of torture.
>>
>> Citation?
>
> http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2011-April/025312.html
I'm convinced. N
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:32, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> I see what you did there.
:] It's a valid citation, even if it is recursive.
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Alan Young wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 03:14, Daniel C. wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Alan Young wrote:
>>> Perpetual imprisonment is a form of torture.
>>
>> Citation?
>
> http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2011-April/025312.html
I see what you d
I am learning puppet and setting up modules for some servers. Although I know
this works from my testing, my spidey sense is tingling, and I want to know if
what I am doing is "right."
Say I have 10 servers that use ntp, and company policy is that only two of
them can contact outside sources t
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 03:14, Daniel C. wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Alan Young wrote:
>> Perpetual imprisonment is a form of torture.
>
> Citation?
http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2011-April/025312.html
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jonathan Duncan
wrote:
> Perhaps we could expand the membership outside of Utah as well? Include
> anyone that would want to participate and contribute? This kind of group
> would, I think, be valuable in any state and throughout the nation.
>
> Thoughts on th
What do you plan to do that differs from the goals and activities of the EFF?
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 12:44 -0400, Grant Shipley wrote:
> > Please take me off the list or go back to linux relevant discussions!
>
> You've been on the list long enough that
> 1) You know the correct way to unsubscribe.
> 2) There is no suc
On 27 Apr 2011, at 10:48, John Shaver wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Steven Morrey wrote:
>> Is anyone interested in joining me on this?
>
> Yes, though I may not be able to put any time into it right away. I'd
> be happy to lurk in the mean time, though.
>
Perhaps we could expand
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 12:44 -0400, Grant Shipley wrote:
> Please take me off the list or go back to linux relevant discussions!
You've been on the list long enough that
1) You know the correct way to unsubscribe.
2) There is no such thing as "off topic" on Plug.
You leave me no choice but to decl
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Steven Morrey wrote:
> Is anyone interested in joining me on this?
Yes, though I may not be able to put any time into it right away. I'd
be happy to lurk in the mean time, though.
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On 26 Apr 2011, at 21:52, Steven Morrey wrote:
> Is anyone interested in joining me on this?
>
While I do not know how much time or knowledge I will be able to contribute,
the idea is sound and in fact brilliant, timely, and courageous. This is the
kind of thing that keeps our nation great.
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:42 PM, John Shaver wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Jessie Adan Morris
> wrote:
> > And yet, how many bodies' locations are still unknown because
> > the perp hasn't stat
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Jessie Adan Morris
wrote:
> And yet, how many bodies' locations are still unknown because
> the perp hasn't stated where the body is?
>
> That sounds like pleading the 5th to me.
No, that's because you can't force anyone to give up information that
they have. Not
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 21:52, Steven Morrey wrote:
> Is anyone interested in joining me on this?
Yes.
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote:
>> I have a laptop running windows 7 and i decided to give natty narwhal a try.
>> I installed it using wubi which i found on the iso i downloaded.
>> Everything looks great but i wou
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Tod Hansmann wrote:
> This isn't Wikipedia. You are a big boy and can think for yourself and
> decide if that statement is accurate or not (especially since it's
> mostly an opinion anyway.) I, for one, believe it is.
So, no citation then. It so happens that I
On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:06:14 PM Henry Paul wrote:>
> Maybe I don't have a proper understanding of the 5th
Amendment, but my
> understanding is it is to protect you from providing self-
incriminating
> testimony, not self-incriminating evidence. Maybe it's the
digital vs.
> tangible argume
On 4/27/2011 3:14 AM, Daniel C. wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Alan Young wrote:
>> Perpetual imprisonment is a form of torture.
> Citation?
>
This isn't Wikipedia. You are a big boy and can think for yourself and
decide if that statement is accurate or not (especially since it's
mos
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:23:46 -0600
Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Nicholas Leippe
> wrote:
> > What does fstab -l /dev/sda show?
>
> sorry, not fstab. fdisk:
>
> # fdisk -l /dev/sda
It may also be useful to see the contents of fstab. Please copy and
paste the comple
On 4/26/2011 11:06 PM, Henry Paul wrote:
> Maybe I don't have a proper understanding of the 5th Amendment, but my
> understanding is it is to protect you from providing self-incriminating
> testimony, not self-incriminating evidence. Maybe it's the digital vs.
> tangible argument again perhaps, b
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 20:42 -0600, Alan Young wrote:
> Perpetual imprisonment is a form of torture.
Vogon poetry?
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> What does fstab -l /dev/sda show?
sorry, not fstab. fdisk:
# fdisk -l /dev/sda
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Steven Morrey wrote:
> I have a laptop running windows 7 and i decided to give natty narwhal a try.
> I installed it using wubi which i found on the iso i downloaded.
> Everything looks great but i would like to access my main windows 7
> partition. Oddly my re
I have a laptop running windows 7 and i decided to give natty narwhal a try. I
installed it using wubi which i found on the iso i downloaded.
Everything looks great but i would like to access my main windows 7 partition.
Oddly my recovery parition mounts automatically at boot, but i cant seem t
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Alan Young wrote:
> Perpetual imprisonment is a form of torture.
Citation?
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Steven Morrey wrote:
> Is anyone interested in joining me on this?
Yes.
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