Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Richard Esplin
I believe most analysts consider the storage tier part of "Infrastructure" in IaaS. Same goes for virtual network appliances. On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:21:16 Grant Shipley wrote: > I would actually lump S3 and Glacier under SaaS. Its a service thats > provided for you with software on th

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Richard Esplin
I completely agree with your analysis, but want to add one point. One of the reasons why IaaS is easier to adopt than PaaS is that the vendor lock-in is lower. Porting a virtual machine between providers is not an easy problem, but is well understood. PaaS lock-in is much greater, as most PaaS

Re: What the heck?

2013-12-12 Thread Levi Pearson
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:16 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Now I've got to figure out how to slowdown the requests and gradually feed > them to the server. Batching will help somewhat, but the max I can send in > a batch is 100 and even then it's going to quickly overwhelm the server to > send the

Re: What the heck?

2013-12-12 Thread Levi Pearson
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > The function spewing this out is an iterator that is calling setTimeout to > run these requests with about 500ms of delay (so as not to swamp the server > I'm getting the request from. Once it has the result of the block hash it > should

Re: What the heck?

2013-12-12 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Interesting insight! Thank you! For the record it wasn't doing that when I finally figured out the problem. I was getting the expected hashes when I cut the number of requests down. However it's possible that this was only because I eliminated the timeout so it was executing in real time. I wi

Re: What the heck?

2013-12-12 Thread Nicholas Leippe
one issue: for(var i = lastblock; i < blockcount; i++){ //Multiplex across multiple clients so we don't overwhelm a single server blockDB.put("lastblock",i); var clientnum = 0; if(i >= clients.length){ clientnum = i%clients.length; } consol

Re: What the heck?

2013-12-12 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Nevermind, I got it sorted out. The delay wasn't long enough and the feed server was treating it as an attack. Furthermore there was no case to catch the connection reset so it was just silently filling the array with undefined values, since it never reached the part where it splits the hashes int

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Doran L. Barton
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:18:11 -0700 Grant Shipley wrote: > Speaking of which, I am thinking of running it this year now that I move > back west (Phoenix). I ran it this year too. It was a great race - my fastest finish ever. -- Doran L. Barton - Linux, Perl, Web, good fun, and more! "Warning

Re: Kiosk mode Linux on bootable media

2013-12-12 Thread Steve Meyers
On 12/11/13 4:34 PM, Doran L. Barton wrote: So, I have a new project I'd like to get some input on from the PLUG community. I work with a non-profit organization and we attend various events where we have an information table where attendees can visit with us, sign up to be on our e-mail list, or

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread John D Jones III
On 12/12/13 13:18, Jason Klebs wrote: Is that sarcasm? Because the NSA is listening in on these e-mails... -Jason On 12/12/2013 01:11 PM, Alan Young wrote: /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */ I

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Jason Klebs
Is that sarcasm? Because the NSA is listening in on these e-mails... -Jason On 12/12/2013 01:11 PM, Alan Young wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jason Klebs wrote: >> I have assumed (even pre-Snowden) that every EC2 instance comes with >> root access for the NSA built-in. Thoughts on

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Alan Young
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jason Klebs wrote: > I have assumed (even pre-Snowden) that every EC2 instance comes with > root access for the NSA built-in. Thoughts on this? If you can get out, someone cant get in. Unplug the computer(s) and shoot the developer(s). In the head. With hollow p

What the heck?

2013-12-12 Thread S. Dale Morrey
So this probably belongs on StackOverflow, but I figured there was a chance someone on the list might be able to help me figure out what I'm missing here. I have an app I refactored to take advantage of asynchronous called in node.js. Now my log is full of this... Setting up 267176 of 267180 bloc

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Jason Klebs
Yes, and not using opportunistic encryption is something security experts have been screaming about for years. Also, in some more recent revelations: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/10/nsa-uses-google-cookies-to-pinpoint-targets-for-hacking/ Because Google is not using S

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Grant Shipley
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Sasha Pachev wrote: > >Yikes, that is bad. rhcloud.com is actually OpenShift, the project I > work > >on. Do you know if this was because poorly written code or the service > >itself? > > I do not know for sure. If you have access to the code/logs, the site > is

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread justin
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Grant Shipley wrote: > If the corporations didn't allow > government snooping there wouldn't be an issue. > Easier said than done. Google had to encrypt all their in-network replication traffic because the government was snooping on the wires their traffic was

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Sasha Pachev
>Yikes, that is bad. rhcloud.com is actually OpenShift, the project I work >on. Do you know if this was because poorly written code or the service >itself? I do not know for sure. If you have access to the code/logs, the site is bigcottonwoodcanyonmarathon.com - the date is Sep 14, 2013 MST after

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Grant Shipley
inline On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Jason Klebs wrote: > Grant; > > Thanks for the explanation. I think if we're to make good decisions > regarding these ideas and technologies, they have to be well understood > first. > > As a cloud evangelist, what is your take on being able to trust 't

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Jason Klebs
Grant; Thanks for the explanation. I think if we're to make good decisions regarding these ideas and technologies, they have to be well understood first. As a cloud evangelist, what is your take on being able to trust 'the cloud?' Personally, I don't put much trust in computers/infrastructure/s

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Sasha Pachev
> That will work for smaller companies but > not large public corporations where every change is scrutinized by the > shareholders, board, customers, and media. Well... Let's just say that this is not quite the case. A large public corporation can get away with unimaginable kind of waste that a sm

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Grant Shipley
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > See I would call them omewhere between IaaS and SaaS. > yes there is software you can use to interact with them, but by that > measure so is EC2, you can control it from the AWS Management Console, plus > you can always use SSH. > On the ot

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread S. Dale Morrey
See I would call them omewhere between IaaS and SaaS. yes there is software you can use to interact with them, but by that measure so is EC2, you can control it from the AWS Management Console, plus you can always use SSH. On the otherhand you can interact exclusively through the APIs as well. On

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Grant Shipley
I would actually lump S3 and Glacier under SaaS. Its a service thats provided for you with software on the backend to manage it all. All S3 and Glacier really are is a set of up API(s) you can use to access the service. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Don't forget Sto

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Don't forget Storage as a Service, S3 & Glacier for example. That doesn't really fall under your categories as far as I can tell. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Grant Shipley wrote: > Let's clear up what cloud actually means then. There are three types of > cloud computing: > > IaaS - Infr

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Grant Shipley
Let's clear up what cloud actually means then. There are three types of cloud computing: IaaS - Infrastructure as a service Think Amazon EC2, Google Compute Engine here. The only thing provided to the user is the hardware / vm. The user is responsible for providing the operating system, updati

Re: Kiosk mode Linux on bootable media

2013-12-12 Thread Doug Hales
It seems like your requirements are pretty simple data collection. Have you considered a survey app like this: http://www.quicktapsurvey.com/ On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Doran L. Barton wrote: > So, I have a new project I'd like to get some input on from the PLUG > community. I work with

Re: Kiosk mode Linux on bootable media

2013-12-12 Thread Steve Alligood
For android 4.3 https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/3175031?hl=en On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Doran L. Barton wrote: > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:51:58 -0700 > Jonathan Duncan wrote: > >> Not to mention, everyone at a conference/trade show is bound to have a >> browser in their pocket. > >

Re: Kiosk mode Linux on bootable media

2013-12-12 Thread Grant Shipley
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Doran L. Barton wrote: > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:51:58 -0700 > Jonathan Duncan wrote: > > > Not to mention, everyone at a conference/trade show is bound to have a > > browser in their pocket. > > The tablet idea is a good one. If anyone knows how to set up a tabl

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Jason Klebs
In my opinion, 'the cloud' is a buzz-word, and regarding it, people act accordingly. Buzz-words are meant to diminish understanding of something, not enhance it. Therefore, a lot of places don't weigh the benefits and drawbacks of what is essentially a move to another hosting provider. While we'

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Grant Shipley
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Jonathan Duncan < jonat...@bluesunhosting.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, S. Dale Morrey >wrote: > > > > > For the most part, you can't just migrate existing systems to "the > > cloud(tm)". You really do need to think of it as a re-implementation

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > > For the most part, you can't just migrate existing systems to "the > cloud(tm)". You really do need to think of it as a re-implementation task > and expect your costs to follow accordingly. > > Agreed. The Cloud is just another tool. Like

Re: Kiosk mode Linux on bootable media

2013-12-12 Thread Doran L. Barton
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:51:58 -0700 Jonathan Duncan wrote: > Not to mention, everyone at a conference/trade show is bound to have a > browser in their pocket. The tablet idea is a good one. If anyone knows how to set up a tablet in a restricted mode (so all the user can do is fill out a web form)

Re: Kiosk mode Linux on bootable media

2013-12-12 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Grant Shipley wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Doran L. Barton > wrote: > > > So, I have a new project I'd like to get some input on from the PLUG > > community. I work with a non-profit organization and we attend various > > events where we have an info

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread S. Dale Morrey
In case any of you are considering migrating/developing new services on a PaaS like this, I feel like I should also mention something about costs and scalability here. The cost to build out this system was $50,000. That included my normal charges for time for the architecture/design stage. It als

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread Justin Hileman
That sounds a lot like a twelve-factor app :) http://12factor.net -- justin I'm not sure what news you've been reading but The London Airport was shutdown due to a system failure and a backup system that utterly failed to do it's job http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25281675 BART was sh

Re: Hosting

2013-12-12 Thread S. Dale Morrey
I'm not sure what news you've been reading but The London Airport was shutdown due to a system failure and a backup system that utterly failed to do it's job http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25281675 BART was shut down due to a computer failure http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2013/11/22/no-bart-ser