On 03/15/2013 03:33 PM, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Daniel Fussell wrote:
>> What drama? It just works.
> Maybe drama wasn't the right word for this:
>
> """
> With Citrix getting involved, things have changed; like the move to a
> Windows management client, and th
On 03/30/2013 12:45 AM, Dan Egli wrote:
> That's interesting. How did you differentiate them from the PPC libs? I
> know most binaries look for the library by file name in each directory in
> your library path (either from the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable, or
> those directories specified i
Elf has all the magic necessary to specify not only path (via rpath or
runpath), but also architecture, endianness, and even OS and ABI
version. See man:elf for more details. The cross-compiler tool chain
can set all this up at compile/link time.
There is also LD_PRELOAD that you can use to coerce
*On March 27, 2013 Michael Torrie wrote:*
* *
*> I was speaking of the user-mode emulation, though, not system emulation.*
* *
*That's something that I had not heard of. Interesting*
* *
*> Hope that makes sense. It did require a partial install of a distro*
*> that could support the bin
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> I was speaking of the user-mode emulation, though, not system emulation.
> Usermode emulation used to be used a lot back in the day. It would let
> you run a linux binary from, say, arm, on x86. Or vice versa. Arguably
> less useful now
On 03/26/2013 10:18 AM, Levi Pearson wrote:
> I can't really speak to how much love it gets now vs then, but I do
> know that quite a few arm cross-development frameworks use it for
> testing/simulation work. You can write emulators for a lot of the
> custom hardware on an embedded board or SoC int
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Back when I had a PPC laptop running YellowDog, this let me run Adobe
> Reader and Flash Plugin (x86-only) on my PPC laptop. You could also use
> it to run x86 wine on another platform like arm. Or you could use it to
> run arm binaries y
On 03/26/2013 01:03 AM, Dan Egli wrote:
> *I'm familiar with Qemu but last time I tried it I couldn't get any kind of
> networking. The directions I saw said I had to install a software bridge
> and make all sorts of network changes. Granted that was the Windows version
> of Qemu, but either way if
*I'm familiar with Qemu but last time I tried it I couldn't get any kind of
networking. The directions I saw said I had to install a software bridge
and make all sorts of network changes. Granted that was the Windows version
of Qemu, but either way if it's being recommended now I hope the networkin
On Sat, 2013-03-23 at 12:32 +0530, Dan Egli wrote:
> *I had a thought on this just a bit ago. Just out of curosity, how would
> something like work for virtualizing a different architecture? For example,
> could I emulate a PC on an older PPC Mac running say an older version of
> Yellow Dog Linux?
*I had a thought on this just a bit ago. Just out of curosity, how would
something like work for virtualizing a different architecture? For example,
could I emulate a PC on an older PPC Mac running say an older version of
Yellow Dog Linux? Or could I emulate an x86 chip on an ARM? Or maybe the
othe
On 3/19/13 10:44 AM, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> In my testing and troubleshooting, I can easily get twice the density AND
> twice the performance using containers over VMs. The big drawback, of
> course, is sticking to Linux kernels, and losing the ability to virtualize
> non-Linux kernel, such as Wind
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 08:12:15AM -0600, Tod Hansmann wrote:
> What's your favorite VM Server thingamajig? Why? What else might you
> recommend? How do you manage it?
Lots of replies in the thread, and I haven't read them all, so apologies if
this has already been mentioned.
KVM is solid for
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:19 AM, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> Merely emerging the kernel sources doesn't compile, install, nor
> reboot into a new kernel.
> Masking them should never be necessary.
> The most it will ever do is move the /usr/src/linux symlink to the new
> source tree for you, but only
Merely emerging the kernel sources doesn't compile, install, nor
reboot into a new kernel.
Masking them should never be necessary.
The most it will ever do is move the /usr/src/linux symlink to the new
source tree for you, but only if you tell it to via the 'symlink' USE
flag.
AFAIK, there are no
*You CAN do that with Gentoo as well, BTW. Just put the kernel and it's
parent category in the /etc/portage/package.mask file. I don't recall the
exact point the kernel is located in the portage tree, but it's likely in
system-base. So you'd just add the following lines to your package.mask
file (A
On 03/15/2013 03:27 PM, Steve Alligood wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Gary Thornock wrote:
>
>>> What's your favorite VM Server thingamajig? Why? What else might you
>>> recommend? How do you manage it?
>>
>> ESXi is nice, but you've already noticed some limit
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Daniel Fussell wrote:
> What drama? It just works.
Maybe drama wasn't the right word for this:
"""
With Citrix getting involved, things have changed; like the move to a
Windows management client, and the fact that they over complicated
XenServer/XenEnterprise an
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Gary Thornock wrote:
>> What's your favorite VM Server thingamajig? Why? What else might you
>> recommend? How do you manage it?
>
> ESXi is nice, but you've already noticed some limitations there.
>
> Have you considered (the free version
On 03/15/2013 12:00 PM, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> It's only flaw is that it's now owned by Oracle.
That's like saying, "The only thing wrong with eating garbage is the
garbage".
I am biased though; Oracle and I are not on good terms. VirtualBox was
decent when Sun still existed.
;-Daniel
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On 03/15/2013 11:56 AM, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Daniel Fussell wrote:
>> I don't think I've missed much without libvirt.
> Likewise, I don't think I've missed much moving away from xen...
> except for a little drama ;)
>
>
> Gabe
>
What drama? It just works.
On 03/15/2013 02:40 PM, Gary Thornock wrote:
>> What's your favorite VM Server thingamajig? Why? What else might you
>> recommend? How do you manage it?
> ESXi is nice, but you've already noticed some limitations there.
>
> Have you considered (the free version of) Citrix XenServer? It's been
> What's your favorite VM Server thingamajig? Why? What else might you
> recommend? How do you manage it?
ESXi is nice, but you've already noticed some limitations there.
Have you considered (the free version of) Citrix XenServer? It's been
a couple of years since I used that one, but I reme
Actually, I run a ton of production centos boxes and as long as your excludes
list is setup right (aka, kernel, httpd, etc) then nightly updates are a great
idea.
The key here is the idea that a potential few hours of outage on a less
critical service is better than a total compromise and a pot
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Tod Hansmann wrote:
> - KVM isn't going to be a whole lot better with regards to management
> unless I use something on top of it. My only OTHER issue with KVM is
> that it seems I will have to install a full OS of some sort, when I'd
> rather just have a bare me
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Tod Hansmann wrote:
> What's your favorite VM Server thingamajig?
It's not for me, but I know a few people who really like proxmox:
http://www.proxmox.com/products/proxmox-ve/features
Gabe
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On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Joseph Hall wrote:
> I also really liked VirtualBox the few times I played with it, but I
> only did so from a GUI. It has some excellent command line support,
> which I have never looked at, and it is quickly gaining ground.
When I'm just spinning up a test serv
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Daniel Fussell wrote:
> I don't think I've missed much without libvirt.
Likewise, I don't think I've missed much moving away from xen...
except for a little drama ;)
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On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Richard Esplin
wrote:
> My home server has had Debian Stable auto-updating nightly for years, and
> never had a breakage.
Interesting. I would still never attempt that on a production server.
Not where $ and/or my job are on the line.
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My home server has had Debian Stable auto-updating nightly for years, and never
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On Friday March 15 2013 11:32:48 Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Tod Hansmann
> wrote:
> > - Last but not least, I'm concerned about upgrade ability. I'm going to
On Friday, March 15, 2013 11:32:48 Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> I assume you test updates on another machine
> before deploying them to a production server regardless of distro
> don't you? (If not, you lose admin points.)
I do believe he said in another post that he bought a 72GB RAM server for h
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Tod Hansmann wrote:
> - Last but not least, I'm concerned about upgrade ability. I'm going to
> put this in my colo, and I do NOT want to break things with an OS
> update. I'd rather enjoy uptime of about 3 years before having to go
> back to the colo. I guess w
On 03/15/2013 10:38 AM, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Tod Hansmann
> wrote:
>> - I'm looking at Xen, but don't know much about it yet
> Xen was the stuff back in the day. It's still widely used, but mostly
> by those with tons of existing investment and build out in
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Steve Meyers wrote:
> This is very true. If you're looking for point and click management,
> just use virt-manager. It's an X app, so you can run it over an SSH
> session. I do most of my management with virsh, though.
>
I'll add add my plug here for KVM and
On 3/15/13 10:38 AM, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> KVM is where it's at. Most often you'll use it with the handy little
> shell, virsh. It's still a bit of a moving target, but if you find a
> version and stick with it, you're going to be just fine. It's easy to
> manage with the command line, XML, Py
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Tod Hansmann wrote:
> - I can't go with ESXi, because they have a hard limit of 32GB RAM, and
> they don't support any software RAID.
They don't want you to have fun with your own hardware unless you pay
them. I'll always pass on VMware.
> - I've been playing wi
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Tod Hansmann wrote:
> The reason to go virtual is largely one of flexibility. I can hand a small
> linux VM to a friend. I can spin up a Windows server to run ASP.NET stuff
> (shush, I like it, especially the new MVC4). I can spin up a VM of Hurd to
> see just
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Tod Hansmann wrote:
> It's a personal server for just about anything I want to do with it. My
> current server (which doesn't have the virtualization instruction sets)
> runs some game servers like Minecraft, a couple web servers, some python
> scripts, an IRC bo
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Joseph Hall wrote:
> There are both performance improvements and security concerns involved
> in running paravirtualized machines. If you're going to go that route,
> you might want to look at OpenVZ or LXC (which is supposedly "OpenVZ
> done right). Ultimately, I
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Tod Hansmann wrote:
> - I'm looking at Xen, but don't know much about it yet
I haven't heard of anyone lately that has started using Xen since KVM
got popular. The VM world, in my limited view, does seem to be moving
away from Xen.
> - KVM isn't going to be a who
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:12:15 -0600
Tod Hansmann wrote:
> Last but not least, I'm concerned about upgrade ability. I'm going
> to put this in my colo, and I do NOT want to break things with an OS
> update. I'd rather enjoy uptime of about 3 years before having to go
> back to the colo.
I can'
So I bought a server that happens to have 72 gigs of ram (this is
important later) and some processors with the virtualization features
required for most hypervisors. My issue now is that I need to figure
out how to work out which hypervisor server to use. Here's my thoughts:
- I can't go with
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