On AD 2008 January 29 Tuesday 01:32:10 AM -0700, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> Think of this as chemistry, you always have to have an equal sign, if one
> things goes up something else has to go down. Actually the whole universe
> operates on this principle - it's all double entry accounting - whether i
This is what a trade deficit is and its implications:
Suppose I own a business called Japan Cars of America. I buy cars from
Japan and distribute them to dealerships in America.
Step 1) I need to buy the cars from the Japanese. Since the Japanese need
to get paid in yen I go to a bank, any bank,
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 11:53:18AM -0700, Bryan Sant wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008 6:29 PM, Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I can understand that. Free trade != "fair trade". "Fair trade" is a
> > euphemism for massive government intervention into international (and
> > hence domestic) tra
On Jan 24, 2008 6:29 PM, Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can understand that. Free trade != "fair trade". "Fair trade" is a
> euphemism for massive government intervention into international (and
> hence domestic) trade, which a free trader would oppose. As The
> Economist has pointed
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 10:38:29AM -0700, Nathan Blackham wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008 10:08 AM, Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
> I agree that we shouldn't force democracy on everybody. That isn't the part
> that I call isolationist. It is that Ron Paul ( at least from his
> presi
* Jason Hall [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 14:26 -0700]
> On Jan 24, 2008 1:48 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > We're a free country, we can trade however we feel like. You don't like
> > tarrifs? Then appose them, don't let the NAFTA or anyone else do it for
> > you.
> >
>
> we as a countr
On AD 2008 January 24 Thursday 01:48:08 PM -0700, Von Fugal wrote:
> We're a free country, we can trade however we feel like. You don't like
> tarrifs? Then appose them, don't let the NAFTA or anyone else do it for
> you.
Can't .. resist ... Appose? Apogee, aphorism, appositive, aspartame?
Is th
On Jan 24, 2008 1:48 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're a free country, we can trade however we feel like. You don't like
> tarrifs? Then appose them, don't let the NAFTA or anyone else do it for
> you.
>
we as a country can trade as we feel? Technically yes, but then again it
also
On Jan 24, 2008 1:28 PM, Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure, but a weak dollar is actually good for exports (in theory) because
> it makes our goods cheaper on the global market. Until recently the
> Canadian dollar was always lower than the US dollar. Yet Canada's
> economy has
>
> Trade organizations and governing bodies are necessary because of our
> unwillingness to trade freely. For example the softwood lumber dispute
> with Canada. If we would stop being hypocritical about the trade issue,
> then we would have free trade and the governing bodies and arbitration
> g
* Michael L Torrie [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 13:46 -0700]
> Von Fugal wrote:
> > * Michael L Torrie [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 13:28 -0700]
> >> It seems to me that part of our problem is we don't innovate on the
> >> scale that we used to. For example, if we think about the transistor,
> >> piano, car, ele
* Michael L Torrie [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 13:35 -0700]
> Benjamin Bytheway wrote:
> > Umm, Ron Paul isn't a protectionist. He's for free trade with everyone, but
> > on our terms and not dictated to us by some worldwide organization.
>
> The moment you say "on our terms" then the statement becom
Von Fugal wrote:
> * Michael L Torrie [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 13:28 -0700]
>> It seems to me that part of our problem is we don't innovate on the
>> scale that we used to. For example, if we think about the transistor,
>> piano, car, electricity etc. All of these things are largely American
>> innov
On Jan 24, 2008 1:24 PM, Nathan Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008 1:12 PM, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 2008 12:26 PM, Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Wow. That's amazing. You want to pay for things twice, eh? First of
> >
> > No. But
* Michael L Torrie [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 13:28 -0700]
> It seems to me that part of our problem is we don't innovate on the
> scale that we used to. For example, if we think about the transistor,
> piano, car, electricity etc. All of these things are largely American
> innovations. Yet right now
Benjamin Bytheway wrote:
> Umm, Ron Paul isn't a protectionist. He's for free trade with everyone, but
> on our terms and not dictated to us by some worldwide organization.
The moment you say "on our terms" then the statement becomes
self-contradictory. Either trade is free or it's not. Even
Bryan Sant wrote:
> Yes, but don't we have a weak dollar in the first place because of our
> trade imbalance? Too much coming in (hey it's free!), not much going
> out. Because companies are making product outside of America (because
> it is cheap) and then selling it here (because it is free).
On Jan 24, 2008 1:12 PM, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008 12:26 PM, Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wow. That's amazing. You want to pay for things twice, eh? First of
>
> No. But I do want the federal government to raise taxes
> constitutionally. There a
>
> Hmm. Given that the US is a country with a massive trade deficit, this
> is quite possibly one of the most bizarre ideas I have ever heard. And
> no, enacting protectionist policies will not change this trade deficit,
> and I don't think it benefits American industry. If anything it puts
> t
On Jan 24, 2008 12:58 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh boy...
>
> * Michael L Torrie [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 12:26 -0700]
>
> > Bryan Sant wrote:
> > > On Jan 24, 2008 10:38 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> I agree that we shouldn't force democracy on everybody. Tha
On Jan 24, 2008 12:26 PM, Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow. That's amazing. You want to pay for things twice, eh? First of
No. But I do want the federal government to raise taxes
constitutionally. There are provisions for tariffs -- income tax is
unconstitutional. I want gov
Oh boy...
* Michael L Torrie [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 12:26 -0700]
> Bryan Sant wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 2008 10:38 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I agree that we shouldn't force democracy on everybody. That isn't the
> >> part
> >> that I call isolationist. It is that Ron Paul (
Michael L Torrie wrote:
> Also I think you (Ron Paul perhaps?) grossly overestimate America's
> future impact on the world economy. The moment OPEC starts trading oil
> in Euros instead of dollars, we are in serious, serious trouble. To say
> nothing of the looming food crisis (two bad years in
Bryan Sant wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008 10:38 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I agree that we shouldn't force democracy on everybody. That isn't the part
>> that I call isolationist. It is that Ron Paul ( at least from his
>> presidential bid website) thinks that all the internation
* Bryan Sant [Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 11:23 -0700]
> Thank you for further illustrating the virtues of Ron Paul. BTW - I'm
> not a Ron-ulan.
Really? That's what people call em? Well consider me a proud Ron-ulan
then!
Von Fugal
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On Jan 24, 2008 10:38 AM, Nathan Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree that we shouldn't force democracy on everybody. That isn't the part
> that I call isolationist. It is that Ron Paul ( at least from his
> presidential bid website) thinks that all the international organizations
> are
On Jan 24, 2008 10:08 AM, Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 08:25:21AM -0700, Nathan wrote:
> > I don't want to start a flame war, but the one reason I won't vote for
> > Ron Paul is that he is an isolationist. I don't think that is the way
> > to deal with the r
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 08:25:21AM -0700, Nathan wrote:
> I don't want to start a flame war, but the one reason I won't vote for
> Ron Paul is that he is an isolationist. I don't think that is the way
> to deal with the rest of the world.
>
> That said, I do like a lot of his idea in government
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