Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-10 Thread Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss
Oh yeah, and win blows 10 is also an accessibility FUBAR, especially if the windows explorer program dies, then the stupid start bar won’t work. -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Dangling Accessibility Dept. > On Nov 9, 2020, at 2:57 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss >

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-09 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:05 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 13:24:36 -0700 > > Set Firefox to dump its cache and other stuff upon exit, and exit it at > least once per day. > The real pain in the arse is relaunching each profile of

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-09 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
>> Micheal. Makes me wonder what hardware or architecture you are using (hardware) There might be some things that you can do based on that. My current hardware is a plane dell xps15 9350 (~2015), i7 proc, 1tb nvme, and loaded out with 64gb ram. It's got an nvidia gpu, but I've never gotten

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-09 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
On Sat, 07 Nov 2020 19:19:29 -0700 Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Lastly, if we're ever going to see mass-market usage of Linux, We already have mass market Linux usage, on the server. If you mean on the desktop, I haven't seen much movement from Windows desktops to Linux desktops this

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-09 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 13:24:36 -0700 Michael Butash wrote: > They all are pigs I find. Tried Brave, Chrome, Chromium, and keep > ending up back at firefox as a lesser of evils. Chrome is the new > IE, so now I *need* it occasionally for plugins. I've been using tab > suspenders across each,

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-08 Thread Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
Micheal. Makes me wonder what hardware or architecture you are using (hardware) There might be some things that you can do based on that. I know and Machines have felt very different in memory management than intel. Even their Bulldozer architecture they really still felt very snappy. And

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-08 Thread Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss
Yeah, It isn’t just on linux where some of these apps have issues. OS X also sees a lot of the same issues (I never maintain more than 4 open tabs of Chrome and I don’t bother with Firefox as it’s an accessibility nightmare under VoiceOver screen reader). About the only DM’s in linux where the

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-08 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
Inline: On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 4:26 PM Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On 2020-11-06 18:28, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:48:40 -0700 > > Michael Butash wrote: > > This is definitely not a common thing. I have never had

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-08 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
I tend to keep tabs on memory a few ways, I use a memory monitor that shows me used in kde menu tray, and always run htop. I flushed everything and rebooted a few days ago sending this, but it was green entirely to around 58gb of mem before I started forcibly having to kill things. Killing

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-08 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
Inline here: On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:48:40 -0700 > Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Chrome/Chromium and Firefox are absolute pigs. I finally tamed Firefox > ty setting it to drop all

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-07 Thread Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss
> Gnome and KDE are luxuries for folks with lightning fast processors and > huge quantities of RAM, who want their computers to perform like a 2015 > computer with 4GB RAM. Gnome doesn't use that much RAM at all -- on a system with lots of RAM and when running Wayland, I've found that typically

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-07 Thread Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss
I think maybe you're looking at this the wrong way -- what use is having a lot of ram if it's not going to be used? This is how the kernel and some userspace programs think about it. When you look at memory usage, how much is actually in use vs cache? Cache is the yellow part of the bar in

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-07 Thread Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss
On 2020-11-06 18:28, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:48:40 -0700 Michael Butash wrote: Memory usage is getting frustrating for me, as whether I use 64gb of ram, or 128gb, I still tend to exhaust memory on my system. Ouch. I have no problem using 16GB RAM firefox was

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-06 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 20:28:39 -0500 Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > That being said, this is a 2014 machine, so I'm soon buying a 3.6 Ghz > 6 core (65 watt) with 64GB RAM. This will give me more latitude in > running Chromium, which I need for Jitsi, and allow me less stringent > housekeeping

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-06 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:48:40 -0700 Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Memory usage is getting frustrating for me, as whether I use 64gb of > ram, or 128gb, I still tend to exhaust memory on my system. My > laptop currently has 64gb, and started freaking out this morning, to > find I was

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-06 Thread Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
MS does some weird stuff when it comes to memory and will try to push content to a pagefile before the memory is needed. As for your concerns Brave might be worth exploring. If I recall correctly it is chrome/chromium with all the privacy turned on and then some. On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-06 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
I switched from Chrome (again) to Firefox about 6mo ago, for memory reasons, and for their spyware sending everything I do through google.com. Not sure firefox is really any better here at least as far as memory consumption. I run things like New Tab Suspender, noscript, ublock origin, etc, so I

Re: Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-06 Thread Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
One of the things I have seen is with browsers they have a flexible memory footprint. As such they will look at availability of free ram and kind of bloat to fit in order to cache more and provide a "better" browsing experience. There are some under the hood settings that may allow you to

Linux Memory (again)

2020-11-06 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
Memory usage is getting frustrating for me, as whether I use 64gb of ram, or 128gb, I still tend to exhaust memory on my system. My laptop currently has 64gb, and started freaking out this morning, to find I was hitting oom's again with browsing and some general use as wake up. Trying to figure