GPA to performance relationship: was Trent's projects

2018-01-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 21:00:25 + (UTC) David Schwartz wrote: > What I will say is this: > > I’ve interviewed enough people in my time that I think I’ve noticed a > pattern. I’m curious what you guys think. > > The higher the GPA, the less such people seem able to

RE: Trent's projects

2018-01-29 Thread Carruth, Rusty
I believe I am an exception to the 2.4GPA ‘rule’. And I have a few other minor nits. See below. From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of David Schwartz Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:00 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Trent's projects

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-27 Thread David Schwartz
Well, I’m not going to argue with you over an analogy. I believe there’s value in having a solid theoretical foundation in this field. “Programming” is distinct from “software design,” and people with less of that foundation in their background have to rely on things that are entirely based in

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-27 Thread techlists
I happened upon this YouTube video that talks about this very subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FioceDs7JA On 2018-01-23 03:02, David Schwartz wrote: > The fallacy here is that a HS dropout who's been building homes for 30 years > could build a home as nice as any Architect just a

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 18:24:30 + "Carruth, Rusty" wrote: > > Once I advertised a position as my assistant programming a > > substantial part of a medical management package. Entry level: I'd > > teach em. We got several Comp-Sci grads from UCLA, and also several > >

RE: Trent's projects

2018-01-23 Thread Carruth, Rusty
Wow! That's all I have to say. Well, ok, no I'll say a bit more. -Original Message- From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Steve Litt Snip/chop/mangle/spindle/fold/mutilate/... > I'd like to return to the concept of "run of the mill

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:02:13 + (UTC) David Schwartz wrote: > The fallacy here is that a HS dropout who’s been building homes for > 30 years could build a home as nice as any Architect just a couple of > years out of school. That's not the fallacy. Nobody said

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-23 Thread techlists
Interesting premise David. Most intriguing. Basically what I take away from your position is that without CS training one will be less capable as a programmer. I can see your point and I have to ask, what about the person who is a business programmer. What about the xBase developers of last

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-23 Thread Stephen Partington
LUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On > Behalf Of *Stephen Partington > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:12 AM > *To:* Main PLUG discussion list > *Subject:* Re: Trent's projects > > > > ​​…. > > > > Schooling is best for people who hav

RE: Trent's projects

2018-01-23 Thread Carruth, Rusty
I’d like to gently disagree with this one statement, leaving the rest for others to worry about: From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Partington Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:12 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Trent's

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-23 Thread Stephen Partington
​​ I see benefits of education and raw experience. And in the end, it will depend on the individual and their drive to improve and learn. do not learn well in a classroom setting. but give me some research sources and a problem to solve I will figure it out and be able to set it up and work

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-23 Thread David Schwartz
The fallacy here is that a HS dropout who’s been building homes for 30 years could build a home as nice as any Architect just a couple of years out of school. Perhaps. It goes on all around the world every day. All Architects can pound nails. But most run-of-the-mill construction workers

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 08:57:11 -0700 Aaron Jones wrote: > The whole “you will be spiritually predisposed to coding” is stupid. > No one wants a computer science person on the team because having a > team of ten developers who can write crappy boiler plate code is > faster

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-21 Thread David Schwartz
First thought: this is a terrible generalization. I don’t know who you’re talking about as I don’t identify with it at all. Second, I’d have to say your view of things is more a reflection of the horrid “state-of-the-art” when it comes to web development. You clearly weren’t around in the

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-21 Thread Stephen Partington
I would second this in a big way. On Jan 21, 2018 10:29 AM, "Mark Phillips" wrote: > Trent, > > Is anybody looking for an entry-level contributor to an opensource >> project? >> >> One way to get your feet wet in any open source project is to help with > the

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-21 Thread Mark Phillips
Trent, Is anybody looking for an entry-level contributor to an opensource project? > > One way to get your feet wet in any open source project is to help with the documentation. Download the code, and then go through the documentation to see if it does what it is supposed to do. Are there new

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-21 Thread Aaron Jones
The whole “you will be spiritually predisposed to coding” is stupid. No one wants a computer science person on the team because having a team of ten developers who can write crappy boiler plate code is faster than 9 shitty programmers being chased around by a good developer. I have a website

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-21 Thread Stephen Partington
I see value in both. For me the passion/talent comes when someone thinks to write something to do something that they want done. Opposed to just looking for someone or something to do it for you. On Jan 21, 2018 8:43 AM, wrote: > I'm intrigued by your comments that

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-21 Thread techlists
I'm intrigued by your comments that one needs a computer science foundation to be more effective as a programmer. In this article [http://fortune.com/2015/09/01/computer-science-degree/], it is reported that a start up CEO says "He prefers people who have an innate passion and talent for coding

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-20 Thread Aaron Jones
Im too sick to be coherent but just do it. Even if all you do is write documentation or fix misspelled words. Get started. First step of millions miles journey or something. > On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:18 PM, David Schwartz > wrote: > > Back in the 80’s there was a

Re: Trent's projects

2018-01-20 Thread David Schwartz
Back in the 80’s there was a library I used that I really loved. The author was clearly dedicated to supporting it and was very active on their discussion forum, and was constantly helping people fix problems they had with the code. (It was a ‘C’ library.) He was constantly releasing updates at

Trent's projects

2018-01-19 Thread trent shipley
At present I am working through an introduction to R and an introduction to Haskell. Both are fun, but Haskell is more fun--and harder. I'm about a quarter of the way through each textbook. I'm also in DES's Vocational Rehab, because I have three disabilities, two master's degrees, and work as a