Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Technomage-hawke
On Tuesday 12 February 2008 21:31, Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 21:12 -0700, Jason Hayes wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2008 7:14:33 pm Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: +1. For Michale Moore, you could tell he was holding back to try being fair and balanced. Health care in the

Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Charles Jones
Tuna wrote: NOTHING is worth ten exclamation marks I suggest that in addition to using the OT: prefix for off-topic posts, we also use EP: (excessive punctuation) to warn folks that they may see a post which exaggerates someones excitement level. (Soon to be followed by NP: (No Punctuation),

Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread David
- Jason Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The simple truth is that people are dying on wait lists in Canada, Great Britain, and France. Worse, they're made to wait like that after having paid 50%+ taxes for their free health care. I don't doubt any of your experiences with HC in

contract - RS485 cmds - VS/Java

2008-02-13 Thread alexanderhenry
Does anyone know how to send commands through an RS485 serial port in Visual Studio or Java? My employer is looking for a contractor to help build a conveyor belt. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe,

NP: EIU: Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Tuna
Charles Jones wrote: Tuna wrote: NOTHING is worth ten exclamation marks I suggest that in addition to using the OT: prefix for off-topic posts, we also use EP: (excessive punctuation) to warn folks that they may see a post which exaggerates someones excitement level. (Soon to be followed

Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread keith smith
The grand Constitution of the United States does. Just think about all the great protections it provides. From the Bill of Rights came the Miranda Decision. What a great protection. Where else do you find a supreme document that provides for freedom of religion, free speech, freedom of

Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
very small risk pool and is the type of thinking that leaves people declaring bankruptcy from a single event. Craig On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 07:40 -0800, keith smith wrote: You can become self insured. Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 21:12 -0700, Jason

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 07:56 -0800, keith smith wrote: Any time the government gets involved you can bet efficiency will go down while cost will go up. why? because I buy into memes posited by others who want me to believe them without examination? I think his point is that you do not

Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread keith smith
Any time the government gets involved you can bet efficiency will go down while cost will go up. I think his point is that you do not have to worry about going BK since you will die without treatment. My father used to complain a lot about our American way of life. He especially complained

Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread keith smith
You can become self insured. Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 21:12 -0700, Jason Hayes wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2008 7:14:33 pm Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: +1. For Michale Moore, you could tell he was holding back to try being fair and balanced.

Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 01:29 -0700, Jason Hayes wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2008 9:31:14 pm Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 21:12 -0700, Jason Hayes wrote: snipped In any of the countries you mention above, you are not subject to exclusions for pre-existing conditions, large

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread keith smith
You say already answered that - see today's Arizona Republic that specifically speaks to prostrate cancer and the timetable for response. I'm glad you didn't get sucked into an emotional argument that has little merit. How do you know until the MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL makes a diagnosis. I read a

Re: OT: Moving to SF == Gear to Get Rid Of

2008-02-13 Thread JD Austin
Do you still have the rack mount cases? Also I can buy the 512MB PC3200 RAM if you still have it. Thanks, JD Erich Newell wrote: As some of you already know, I'll moving to SF shortly. I expect I will still participate in the online discussions and will stay in touch personally as best I can.

Re: contract - RS485 cmds - VS/Java

2008-02-13 Thread Stephen P Rufle
For Java http://www.freshports.org/comms/rxtx http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=706800messageID=4100548 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to send commands through an RS485 serial port in Visual Studio or Java? My employer is looking for a contractor to help build a

Re: Proposal: new plug-offtopic email list [ linux related to phpBB2 ]

2008-02-13 Thread Alan Dayley
Technomage-hawke wrote: has anyone ever looked at the idea of converting to a phpBB style forums here? it would have all the news, ontopic and offtopic ares segregated. and if one wants to follow a specific forum, they can have the setting made for them to be e-mailed of new changes to that

Re: OT: Moving to SF == Gear to Get Rid Of

2008-02-13 Thread Bill Lindley
Erich, I'd like these if not already spoken for: - 2x Rackmountable APC SmartUPS 1250 (dead batts) Saturday's OK to pickup, what time? \\/ 480.947.6100 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe,

Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Jared Anderson
'guess I'll come out from behind my lurking rock. If we must dichotomize the issue, then in addition to Michael Moore's one-sided perspective of health care, you should watch John Stossel's 'Sick in America' [1] reports -- it touches on facts Sicko neglected to report. Together, a more

Re: Proposal: new plug-offtopic email list

2008-02-13 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 2/13/08, Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Dayley wrote: First, please do not take this as a rebuke of anyone. I follow and even contribute to may of the off topic discussions in the list. I just think we should give them their own home. Second, I think the social non-Linux

Re: Proposal: new plug-offtopic email list [ linux related to phpBB2 ]

2008-02-13 Thread Erich Newell
For my $0.02, I think the simple pre-pending of OT: works quite nicely...we (mailing-list subscribers) have been using this quite effectively for years and years. If I wanted to join a forum on given topic, then I'd go join a forum eh? Mailing lists provide an entirely different experience.

Re: OT: Moving to SF == Gear to Get Rid Of

2008-02-13 Thread Erich Newell
I have all of the rackmount cases. That piece of RAM has been spoken for however. You can come by on Saturday to pick them up. 10am - 7pm, call before you roll by in case I've run out on an errand or something; but I expect to be home all day. Address: 2056 East Malibu Drive, Tempe, AZ Phone:

Re: Proposal: new plug-offtopic email list

2008-02-13 Thread Josef Lowder
. Alan, I am no longer surprised, but always delighted by your tact, diplomacy skills, and talent for putting things in just the right perspective. --- On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:51, Alan Dayley wrote (in part) I'd like to point out, however, that two important and long-time

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 11:00 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 2/13/08, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you only needed to see the moment where John Erlichtman and Richard Nixon are discussing the crook in California (Kaiser) discussing his new health care delivery system called

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 2/13/08, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you only needed to see the moment where John Erlichtman and Richard Nixon are discussing the crook in California (Kaiser) discussing his new health care delivery system called HMO's and the next day, President Nixon advocating Congressional

Re: Proposal: new plug-offtopic email list [ linux related to phpBB2 ]

2008-02-13 Thread Technomage-hawke
On Wednesday 13 February 2008 10:00, Alan Dayley wrote: Years ago I heard repeated calls to setup a web based discussion board for the list. Then a PLUGger generously set one up on his own. It fell into disuse in about three weeks or so. Then a few less years ago the suggestion was

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Technomage-hawke
On Wednesday 13 February 2008 11:33, Craig White wrote: As for what constitutes a socialized health care delivery system and how they behave or are funded, there are many different concepts in place throughout the world and they do differ. A simple question for those who assert that the

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Technomage-hawke
On Wednesday 13 February 2008 11:33, Craig White wrote: A simple question for those who assert that the health care system as practiced in the United States is the best, why are infant mortality rates so much higher here than elsewhere? here is some more information you should read: GDP - per

Re: contract - RS485 cmds - VS/Java

2008-02-13 Thread alexanderhenry
I'm looking for informed bodies with hands that work keyboards, not information :) Stephen P Rufle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Java http://www.freshports.org/comms/rxtx http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=706800messageID=4100548 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone

Re: Dare I Ask...

2008-02-13 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
On Feb 13, 2008 3:03 PM, Tuna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever had any success installing Visual Basic on Linux? I am running Kubuntu Feisty and Wine just doesn't like it... And I'm trying to install Visual Studio 6.0 Visual Basic. I know about Gambas, and I use it quite a bit. But I

Dare I Ask...

2008-02-13 Thread Tuna
Has anyone ever had any success installing Visual Basic on Linux? I am running Kubuntu Feisty and Wine just doesn't like it... And I'm trying to install Visual Studio 6.0 Visual Basic. I know about Gambas, and I use it quite a bit. But I want something that will be 100% compatible with what we

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:29 -0700, Technomage-hawke wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2008 11:33, Craig White wrote: As for what constitutes a socialized health care delivery system and how they behave or are funded, there are many different concepts in place throughout the world and they

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:51 -0700, Technomage-hawke wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2008 11:33, Craig White wrote: A simple question for those who assert that the health care system as practiced in the United States is the best, why are infant mortality rates so much higher here than

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Technomage-hawke
On Wednesday 13 February 2008 16:29, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:29 -0700, Technomage-hawke wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2008 11:33, Craig White wrote: As for what constitutes a socialized health care delivery system and how they behave or are funded, there are many

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 17:06 -0700, Technomage-hawke wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2008 16:29, Craig White wrote: If you look simply at the 'western' civilizations, our infant mortality rates are indeed substantially higher. Our rate is more than twice as high as that of Japan. I suppose

OT: Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Eric Shubes
Jason Hayes wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2008 7:14:33 pm Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: +1. For Michale Moore, you could tell he was holding back to try being fair and balanced. Health care in the USA is a joke compared to the UK. You don't believe it? Watch the movie and ask any of your

Re: OT: Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 18:04 -0700, Eric Shubes wrote: Jason Hayes wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2008 7:14:33 pm Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: +1. For Michale Moore, you could tell he was holding back to try being fair and balanced. Health care in the USA is a joke compared to the UK.

OT - Sicko, free screening

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
As long as I have been beating the subject to death, there is a free screening of Sicko next Monday night, 6:00 PM at Changing Hands Bookstore http://www.changinghands.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?s=storeeventseventId=368721 offered for those who might want to see the movie but want to make sure

Re: OT - Sicko, free screening

2008-02-13 Thread Joshua Zeidner
also online, free and highly recommended: section 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y -jmz On Feb 13, 2008 7:12 PM, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as I have been beating the subject to death, there is a free screening of Sicko next Monday night, 6:00 PM at Changing

Re: OT - Sicko, free screening

2008-02-13 Thread Erich Newell
I saw the opening screener here with the Maricopa County Demsloved it. Though it does leave out some gaping holes on the positives of our healthcare system...so it gets beat upon very quickly. Most of the major problem areas are brought into sharp relief. On Feb 13, 2008 7:18 PM, Joshua

New Linux user training?

2008-02-13 Thread Alan Dayley
My father (actively retired and now at 70+ years old) has recently purchased a new Eee PC. He really likes it! He surprised me and did NOT order Windows XP to go with it. I have been helping him with a few things. It has been an interesting experience. One evening we were confirming that his

Re: ****Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

2008-02-13 Thread Erich Newell
Ok...I normally stay away from political discussions that aren't in person because the amount of requisite typing to make a cogent point is just too much of a time commitment. That said, I'd like to dump in a simple but alternate perspective that I see very little conversation around...and what I

Re: New Linux user training?

2008-02-13 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 21:55 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: My father (actively retired and now at 70+ years old) has recently purchased a new Eee PC. He really likes it! He surprised me and did NOT order Windows XP to go with it. I have been helping him with a few things. It has been an

Re: New Linux user training?

2008-02-13 Thread Tuna
Alan Dayley wrote: My father (actively retired and now at 70+ years old) has recently purchased a new Eee PC. He really likes it! He surprised me and did NOT order Windows XP to go with it. I have been helping him with a few things. It has been an interesting experience. One evening we

Stammtische this Tues

2008-02-13 Thread der.hans
moin moin, it's almost that time again. The Stammtische will be this coming Tuesday night. I will be offline for the week, so the reminder's going out now. It would be cool if someone would send another reminder Monday. Both start at 19:00, but we're eating and drinking, so no requirement to be

Re: New Linux user training?

2008-02-13 Thread Charles Jones
Tuna wrote: I went to Best Buy and I can't find a damn thing on there! Finding Notepad in the Start menu is *easily* a two-minute ordeal. Don't take this as defending Vista, but just FYI in vista if you don't know where something is, you can just click the Windows logo (used to be the