On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Jon M. Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been using Linux for a long time and recently I've been playing
> around with Kubuntu. I'm currently running 8.04 with the KDE 4 Remix and
> wanted to do the online upgrade to 8.10. From the instructions on the
> websit
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:11 AM, SI - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Only one problem I have with 8.10 - Nvidia did not provide updated drivers
> for Ubuntu to use for the older cards.
>
> Does anyone know if this was fixed? I cannot upgrade until these drivers
> get released.
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008
Personally, I think people are overreacting. This type of thing doesn't
happen often enough for it be a huge issue. Unfortunately the topic that set
it off this time is a very personal subject to many people. It will die down
and go away, as they all inevitably do.
If the majority think that moder
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:48 PM, jdawg wrote:
> well Alan, there are at least 3 things you can do at this point:
> 1) become an ostrich, and assume everyone will not henceforth post
> anything OT
> 2) moderate this list, that way you and your fellow mo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 06 November 2008 21:36:15 der.hans wrote:
> > Am 06. Nov, 2008 schwätzte Dan Lund so:
> >
> > > You know, I've put up with this battle too much and people trying to
> > > make a Topic-based list into a general discussi
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:48 PM, jdawg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Suppose I had never been to a Krispy Kreme Donut shop. Others told me
> > how wonderful it is, with the fryer and smells, etc. So with great
> > ant
On Thursday 06 November 2008 21:36:15 der.hans wrote:
> Am 06. Nov, 2008 schwätzte Dan Lund so:
>
> > You know, I've put up with this battle too much and people trying to
> > make a Topic-based list into a general discussion "democracy". I
>
> It is not a topic-based list. It's a general discuss
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> Suppose I had never been to a Krispy Kreme Donut shop. Others told me
> how wonderful it is, with the fryer and smells, etc. So with great
> anticipation I walk in the door...and find they are frying battered
> halibut. But
Hi Alan,
I take one issue with your metaphor. In this donut shop I am paying money
for a product. The complainers here are acting like they paid for a show
and they want their money back. As many have noted, there are moderated
options available, no one uses them. Go figure. -jmz
On Thu, N
Am 06. Nov, 2008 schwätzte Dan Lund so:
You know, I've put up with this battle too much and people trying to
make a Topic-based list into a general discussion "democracy". I
It is not a topic-based list. It's a general discussion list. The
applications, development and web lists are topic-bas
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Suppose I had never been to a Krispy Kreme Donut shop. Others told me
how wonderful it is, with the fryer and smells, etc. So with great
anticipation I walk in the door...and find they are frying battered
halibut. But they are frying a about 1 donut
exactomundo.
if you can't figure out technical a solution to unwanted emails, perhaps
you are indeed on the wrong list.
seems to be that people use the OT reason whenever they encounter an
opinion that irks them.
IT IS THE DAY AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. A BIT OF SOAPBOXING IS TO
B
You know, I've put up with this battle too much and people trying to
make a Topic-based list into a general discussion "democracy". I
digress, you guys have a great one.
I'm unsubscribing.
Thanks,
Dan Lund
"There is only one good, namely knowledge, and only one evil, namely
ignorance."
--Socrate
forgive me for the top post: but I wanted to get my point across.
this is a democracy, and you can cajole all you want to, but it won't change
the fact that some people will post what they will, and others will
reply to it.
if you don't like the occasional posting of that kind -- excercise your
Agreed, but sadly, even after your email it continued. I can't sit back
any longer. Since the self moderation isn't working, as Alan has asked
of people in whatever nice form he has, I can only do what is best, quit
complaining myself and leave. Nothing permanent, mind. Though, if I
wanted an "an
Am 06. Nov, 2008 schwätzte betty so:
moin moin betty,
so, can i upgrade from feisty to intrepid skipping over the interim
releases? (without having to re-do all my settings...?)
It's recommended that you upgrade to each release.
If you're running LTS ( long term support ), then you can go fr
so, can i upgrade from feisty to intrepid skipping over the interim
releases? (without having to re-do all my settings...?)
thx
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after looking at the various LFS books' sumaries it would seem that I need
to start with LFS. And I was wrong I do have linux I have knoppix!
In a few weeks I will have a recent uubuntu. The challenge will be getting
online to d/l the book. Well, the broadband cared, so it would seem, runs
Download which book?
-- gnunixguy
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On Nov 6, 2008 6:03 PM, "mike havens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
unfortunately I am unable to d/l the book because i don't run linux
currently. any ideas?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:58 PM, mike havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >
this s
unfortunately I am unable to d/l the book because i don't run linux
currently. any ideas?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:58 PM, mike havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this seems like a fun thing to do thanks for shaaring!
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Alex Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
this seems like a fun thing to do thanks for shaaring!
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Alex Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think IP Cop is build with Linux From Scratch. If you're really keen for
> some DIY, check that out.
>
> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
>
> alex
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2
let this die!
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Robert Holtzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, keith smith wrote:
>
> > Craig,
> >
> > It is obvious you are not interested in the truth. There is
> > something amiss with Obama. I do not know exactly what.
> >
> > I believe everyth
The majority has spoken. group think is a good thing.What must be the
good guys have won. This is regardless of any personal opinions The
goodguys must have won. the right guys for the team.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM, mike havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll bite my tou
I'll bite my tou. The good guys tounge.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 06 November 2008 09:13:49 hoyden wrote:
> > Remember this?
> >
> > "PLUG is a very informal group of people in the Phoenix, Arizona, USA
> > area who get together severa
Hi,
Under Debian GNU/Linux the mic is detected by default on my machine. Both a
normal USB mic and a logitech headset. I can use them with skype at least,
not sure as per arecord, but since they probably use the same interface
it /should/ work :) I use alsa, btw, and no configuration was nee
So a few weeks ago, I bought Rock Band, which comes with a USB
microphone. I thought I'd use try to hook this USB microphone up
to my Gentoo box and record some sound. This is apparently a lot
harder than it should be.
The device is recognized according to the output from lsusb. The
snd-usb-aud
> Subject: Hackfest at UAT
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:19:49 -0700
> From: "Brynn Dryer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Jeremy Carriger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Alexander,
>
>
>
> Please read the email below from Jeremy Carriger, UAT's Clien
Dear PLUGers,
I've sat back. I've been patient and quiet. I have not put forward my
political or religious beliefs. I have refrained from name calling,
slander, and prophecies of doom and/or salvation. This conversation
has spilled over into half a dozen threads and is neither fruitful nor
relev
Smoothwall is a pretty decent firewall, but not really my style. Pfsense
seems to have better options and is built on freebsd. I hear it's easy to
add to pfsense
-- gnunixguy
Sent from my android
On Nov 6, 2008 1:13 PM, "Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Some things to poke at might be Gen
He was referring to fecal matter tossing.
Thanks,
Dan Lund
"There is only one good, namely knowledge, and only one evil, namely
ignorance."
--Socrates
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Robert Holtzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Josh Coffman wrote a whole bunch of times:
>
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, keith smith wrote:
> Craig,
>
> It is obvious you are not interested in the truth. There is
> something amiss with Obama. I do not know exactly what.
>
> I believe everything I provided is the truth or brings into
> question what we have been told about our future leader.
>
>
On a similar subject, electric utilities keep transformers cool by
submerging them in oil, so its not only computers than benefit from this
application.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dan Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Yep... in fact for a while when the Celeron 333 was being overclocked
> to
Yep... in fact for a while when the Celeron 333 was being overclocked
to 450, alot of people did the whole immersion in distilled water
thing.
Thanks,
Dan Lund
"There is only one good, namely knowledge, and only one evil, namely
ignorance."
--Socrates
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:42 AM, koder <[E
I've been using Linux for a long time and recently I've been playing
around with Kubuntu. I'm currently running 8.04 with the KDE 4 Remix and
wanted to do the online upgrade to 8.10. From the instructions on the
website it says to do:
kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade"
I expect to get the pac
Some things to poke at might be Gentoo as a general Linux distro thats
very nice but has a lot of the DIY Linux advantages. then there is
trixbox which is a pretty easy asterix on top of centos build. i am a
rather big fan of smoothwall as a firewall.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Alex Dean <[EM
I think IP Cop is build with Linux From Scratch. If you're really
keen for some DIY, check that out.
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
alex
On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Jon M. Hanson wrote:
I use IP Cop as my firewall at home. It fits your requirements.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 6, 2008,
It looks like Scott Trade is opening a data center in Scottsdale. They are
having a job fair on Monday at the Scottsdale Resort & Conference Center if
anyone is interested.
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/11/03/daily58.html?ana=from_rss
Very thoughtful and well written post Hans.
We could all benefit by just responding to any clearly off-topic
issues, including flame wars, by simply responding to the first hint
of such a situation by just replying with a post at both the top and
the bottom with this excellent phrase that Hans has
Well put; This whole flame war kept my blackberry vibrating off the hook and
drained my battery in half the usual time. We all have better things to spend
our time on and even better ways to further our wonderfully diverse causes than
an internet arguement.
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone pro
I use IP Cop as my firewall at home. It fits your requirements.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 6, 2008, at 11:49 AM, "James Finstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I am looking for new and exciting things... So one of the perks of
> my job is I get to play with allot of open source projects and
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Josh Coffman wrote a whole bunch of times:
> monkeys
Is there some cryptic meaning here or are you just typing what the
voices tell you?
--
Bob Holtzman
"The best argument against democracy is a five
minute conversation with the average voter."
I am looking for new and exciting things... So one of the perks of my job is
I get to play with allot of open source projects and I get to do things to
promote their use. Asterisk has allot of "plug n play" distros that allow
you to plug in xyz distro and all the grunt work is done and poof you ha
moin moin,
once again, I get an appropriate random sig quote for the email.
Flame wars like this are easy to avoid. First and foremost, don't respond
to trolling. The original post in the thread was completely off-topic
and merely a troll post. I'm not characterizing the poster as a troll,
just t
I believe it is the IBM 390 that runs its whole CPU and a good deal of
ancillary electronics inside of a distilled water container for cooling
purposes.
There are a couple of postings of overclockers running PCs in an oil
bath for the same reason.
-Original Message-
From: mike havens <[EM
Also see if you cna look at the thermals inside bios and note them.
also note if you cna change them by stopping the fan or something
similar.
Id suggest keeping somehting that you can readily undo in case of issues.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, koder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Correct me i
Correct me if I am wrong, but would it not be easier to use a can of air
to chill the chip? I believe that is what we used to use to check of
thermal errors.
Putting a PC in the fridge raises visions of shorts from condensation on
unwarmed portions of the board.
-Original Message-
From:
On Thursday 06 November 2008 09:13:49 hoyden wrote:
> Remember this?
>
> "PLUG is a very informal group of people in the Phoenix, Arizona, USA
> area who get together several times a month. We talk about the state of
> Linux, what we've recently done with Linux, share problems and create
> solutio
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Tuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am currently at my grandmother's house. We played a game of Clue last
> night, and I found that I can win rather easily using just a simple
> spreadsheet. This was cool, but why not implement it in code?
>
> So I broke out my favo
>> Hearing somone elses opinion shouldn't be a problem or a foreign concept.
>> [...]
>
> I know, maybe it's them and not us, if something like
> some honest sincere opinions (180 degrees apart, in
> alternating posts) can scare them off. I actually can sorta
> see an argument for claiming
Craig,
For crying out loud. Drop it already!
We all get it. You like Obama. You don't like conservatives. You don't like
Mike. You don't like Keith. You don't like Christ. Everyone but you (and those
with whom you agree) is "extreme" and "irrelevant."
You've already "moderated" those points to
> I personally enjoy reading each and every post whether on or off topic.
NO PROBLEM!
as already pointed out,
>...> Those who choose to do so, can subscribe to BOTH lists.
So, you can join the class of readers who take advantage of the
"opportunity", to sign up on both lists.
The question is, sh
I am currently at my grandmother's house. We played a game of Clue last
night, and I found that I can win rather easily using just a simple
spreadsheet. This was cool, but why not implement it in code?
So I broke out my favorite IDE/editor (Geany) and got to work. I have much
of it written, and I
keith smith wrote:
> I would like to start by saying..
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On Nov 6, 2008 9:16 AM, "keith smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would like to start by saying I apologize to anyone who is aggregated by
these off topic posts. I however do not think I have said anything th
Can we please keep religion out of this thread?
-- gnunixguy
Sent from my android
On Nov 6, 2008 9:16 AM, "keith smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would like to start by saying I apologize to anyone who is aggregated by
these off topic posts. I however do not think I have said anything tha
Hi,
>I don't think that this should be such a big deal. Hearing somone elses
opinion shouldn't be a problem or a foreign concept. We should >respect and
accept that we won't always agree with eachother. I do feel that we have
already discussed the OT situation and it was >decided that OT was to be
I would like to start by saying I apologize to anyone who is aggregated by
these off topic posts. I however do not think I have said anything that is off
color or asked any questions that are improper.
I must say Craig you are a very opinionated person.
You threw a stone at me opening the doo
Remember this?
"PLUG is a very informal group of people in the Phoenix, Arizona, USA
area who get together several times a month. We talk about the state of
Linux, what we've recently done with Linux, share problems and create
solutions. No knowledge of Linux is presumed or required, although most
I don't think that this should be such a big deal. Hearing somone elses
opinion shouldn't be a problem or a foreign concept. We should respect and
accept that we won't always agree with eachother. I do feel that we have
already discussed the OT situation and it was decided that OT was to be
p
This seems reasonable :)
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Mike Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think it would be preferable to have the decisions made
>by the moderator, not be [normally] decisions to KILL a given
>post or thread "completely", but rather, just result in -- at wors
Only one problem I have with 8.10 - Nvidia did not provide updated drivers
for Ubuntu to use for the older cards.
Does anyone know if this was fixed? I cannot upgrade until these drivers
get released.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, 'James Finstrom'
>
>
LOL, Really? I can't count how many OT posts I've seen. WE are all
members HERE, THIS is where WE gather. It WILL die down, but as a OT
post, I see them to be as valid as any other. In fact, (I) will make it
official with a "OT:"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I for one am very tempted to unsubscr
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