RE: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread Bob Elzer
They probably just layed off the Vista People :-) _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of keith smith Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:10 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft layo

OT: <--[maybe]; book review; also, expert says the US needs a CTO

2009-01-22 Thread Mike Schwartz
[1] book review by Edward J. Valauskas, of James Boyle's recent book, The public domain: Enclosing the commons of the mind: http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2350/2080 ((quote from the above book review: "Anyone with even the slightest interest in intellectual

RE: Red Hat vs. Fedora

2009-01-22 Thread Lisa Kachold
If you plan to become proficient in production RedHat systems (Dell, HP, IBM xSeries on blades or vSeries zOs) administration, getting a user license is just the first step toward full understanding of patch management, RHN build tricks and how licensing works to save money for server farms via

Re: VoIP class

2009-01-22 Thread der.hans
Am 22. Jan, 2009 schwätzte JD Austin so: Do you happen to have a contact for the instructor? I tried emailing the dept chair to get an override code never got an answer. Call in during the day and talk to Jessica. 480 461 6100 I will pass your email address on and ask them to contact you. c

Re: VoIP class

2009-01-22 Thread JD Austin
Do you happen to have a contact for the instructor? I tried emailing the dept chair to get an override code never got an answer. -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com 480.288.8195x201 http://www.twingeckos.com Katharine Hepburn - "Death will be a great relief. No m

VoIP class

2009-01-22 Thread der.hans
moin moin, BII has a VoIP class starting Saturday. http://bii.mc.maricopa.edu/ Call to find out more information. It runs Saturday mornings. I believe it started as a Cisco-specific class, but the instructor now also covers Asterisk and other Free Software VoIP tools. ciao, der.hans -- # ht

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 09:10 -0800, keith smith wrote: > > I think we tend to look at Microsoft and a $150 license fee for XP or > Vista as a lot of money. There are other costs to consider. What is > your time worth? > http://www.crn.com/software/212902058 quotes the following prices in

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread Joe Fleming
I gotta say, I think you put too much weight on piracy. As has been mentioned around here before, most people are very happy with their older machines and see no need to upgrade either hardware or software. For most people, a P4 running XP is all they will need for the rest of their life in all

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 09:10 -0800, keith smith wrote: > I think we tend to look at Microsoft and a $150 license fee for XP or > Vista as a lot of money. There are other costs to consider. What is > your time worth? Neither XP nor Vista gets $150 for Microsoft if OEM. Only the retail versio

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread JD Austin
Yes :) Apple figured that trick out a long time ago (grin) -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com 480.288.8195x201 http://www.twingeckos.com Fred Allen - "Television is a medium because anything well done is rare." On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Jerry Davis wro

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread Jerry Davis
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:41:16 -0700 JD Austin wrote: > If I were Microsoft I'd use OSS as a jump off point, slap a pretty user > interface on it and sell it with support. OS X -- Happy Trails! Jerry (K7AZJ) Hobbit Name: Pimpernel Loamsdown Registered Linux User: 275424 This email's random fortu

Re: Red Hat vs. Fedora

2009-01-22 Thread Thomas Cameron
Nathan England wrote: > All, > > Possibly a dumb question, so I apologize ahead of time! > > I Know admittedly little about Red Hat or Fedora. > If I decided I want to learn as much about Red Hat as possible, should I > get an official Red Hat release or is Fedora similar enough that I could >

Re: Red Hat vs. Fedora

2009-01-22 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 10:54 -0700, Matt Graham wrote: > From: Nathan England > > If I decided I want to learn as much about Red Hat as possible, should I > > get an official Red Hat release or is Fedora similar enough that I could > > learn how Red Hat does things? > > I believe what you want i

Re: Red Hat vs. Fedora

2009-01-22 Thread Thomas Cameron
Eric Shubert wrote: > Nathan England wrote: >> All, >> >> Possibly a dumb question, so I apologize ahead of time! >> >> I Know admittedly little about Red Hat or Fedora. >> If I decided I want to learn as much about Red Hat as possible, should I >> get an official Red Hat release or is Fedora simi

RE: Red Hat vs. Fedora

2009-01-22 Thread Lisa Kachold
Suggestions: EXPECT to BUILD and configure and investigation RH (Fedora "core") systems a few times to learn well! Come to installfests and PLUG presentations; make some personal friends amoung the exceptional expertise in the group; ask questions including all documentation, logs and steps

Re: Red Hat vs. Fedora

2009-01-22 Thread Matt Graham
From: Nathan England > If I decided I want to learn as much about Red Hat as possible, should I > get an official Red Hat release or is Fedora similar enough that I could > learn how Red Hat does things? I believe what you want is CentOS. That's essentially the same packages as RHEL without th

Re: Red Hat vs. Fedora

2009-01-22 Thread Eric Shubert
Nathan England wrote: > All, > > Possibly a dumb question, so I apologize ahead of time! > > I Know admittedly little about Red Hat or Fedora. > If I decided I want to learn as much about Red Hat as possible, should I > get an official Red Hat release or is Fedora similar enough that I could >

Red Hat vs. Fedora

2009-01-22 Thread Nathan England
All, Possibly a dumb question, so I apologize ahead of time! I Know admittedly little about Red Hat or Fedora. If I decided I want to learn as much about Red Hat as possible, should I get an official Red Hat release or is Fedora similar enough that I could learn how Red Hat does things? Is the

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread JD Austin
Most people would still buy their software provided that it was priced reasonably. Microsoft Office ***upgrade*** version is over $300. If I were Microsoft I'd use OSS as a jump off point, slap a pretty user interface on it and sell it with support. -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread keith smith
I would also add that with people wanting to stay with XP and Office being so feature rich, M$ seems to be at a turning point of becoming an IBM.  Still big but not the market leader it once was. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Craig White wrote: From: Craig White

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread keith smith
I think we tend to look at Microsoft and a $150 license fee for XP or Vista as a lot of money.  There are other costs to consider.  What is your time worth? Most people do not have the need nor the desire to learn Linux. I personally like the Windows operating system for my desk top.  I run Li

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 09:26 -0700, James Finstrom wrote: > http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/microsoft-layoffs-live-msft > > I lived a short while in Washington and knew many Microsoft employees > so in a general sense Microsoft laying off 5000 people sucks but in > another sense I would like to

OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-22 Thread James Finstrom
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/microsoft-layoffs-live-msft I lived a short while in Washington and knew many Microsoft employees so in a general sense Microsoft laying off 5000 people sucks but in another sense I would like to think that this is partially our (the Linux world's) doing. Having