On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 23:48 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
> And for cost I can put an exchange system in for a 70
> person office with all the clients and servers licensed from
> scratch with AD
> and everything, including the server and my time to set it up
> for
Microsoft plans to boost the(ir) economy by offering free tech training to 2
million people over the next 2 years via training centers and WBT. They wish
to train (indoctrinate) 2 million people to bring up the "technical
standings" in the US.
http://www.crn.com/it-channel/214502376
What will be t
You make some very good points. The first is that we are comparing apples
to oranges. I could not agree more, Exchange and its prospective
replacements are not mere mail systems. For example you solution for a mail
system does not take into account any of the PIM/Collaboration requirements
excha
None needed, look at the free classes already offered for Linux on the list
here.
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On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 09:59 -0700, James Finstrom wrote:
> Microsoft plans to boost the(ir) economy by offering free tech
> training to 2 million people over the next 2 years via training
> centers and WBT. They wish to train (indoctrinate) 2 million people to
> bring up the "technical standings" i
Marketing is the key term. Sure free software is free as in beer but the
marketing machine behind Microsoft is the key. This was well demonstrated
with the Mojave project and the new commercials with the 4 year old girl
sending a picture via Email. Linux does all this for free and in fact these
fol
Glad I'm not a M$ programmer.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 2/23/09, James Finstrom wrote:
From: James Finstrom
Subject: Microsoft to train 2 million people FREE
To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 9:59 AM
Microsoft plans to boost the(ir) ec
Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Mon Feb 23 00:02:15 -0700 2009:
> this may be obvious, but you can use any mail reader to pick up your
> gmail. ( POP or IMAP ) -jmz
I'm using a client that's pretty much GMail for the command line. It's
called sup. It's written in Ruby, and available in
My take on that article is that Microsoft is offering classes to help
get Americans more computer-literate so they become more valuable in
today's down-turning job market. Many people do not have the skills (or
maybe just lack the confidence) to interview for jobs in which they feel
they may b
This is mostly a personal prefrence discussion, but this one is a bit overbaord:
"I suppose you can justify whatever you believe to be costs as you see
fit. The SBS version is by intent a hampered product to encourage
adoption - sort of like the drug dealer giving the drugs away until you
get hook
Ironically this was part of the point everyone was argueing. that
there are better indevidual replaceemnt for excahnge, but exchange is
one of the best at its collection of fucntions.
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Bryan O'Neal
wrote:
> You make some very good points. The first is that we are
I find greasemonkey verry helpful with the better gmail scripts from
userscripts.org..
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Tuna wrote:
> Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Mon Feb 23 00:02:15 -0700 2009:
> > this may be obvious, but you can use any mail reader to pick up your
> > gmail.
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 14:14 -0700, Stephen wrote:
> This is mostly a personal prefrence discussion, but this one is a bit
> overbaord:
>
> "I suppose you can justify whatever you believe to be costs as you see
> fit. The SBS version is by intent a hampered product to encourage
> adoption - sort o
These thread(s) which I spawned have been a mixed blessing. I learned
much but sometimes felt like I opened the door to "sales pitches" for
lock-in technology. Overall I have appreciated the discussion,
education and civil disagreement.
It is interesting to me, this balance between getting the j
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 15:03 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote:
> These thread(s) which I spawned have been a mixed blessing. I learned
> much but sometimes felt like I opened the door to "sales pitches" for
> lock-in technology. Overall I have appreciated the discussion,
> education and civil disagreement
> Just
> like any other product (MS, Linux, or practically anything), you can
> learn all about it by using it yourself and searching the Internet.
This is true to some extent.
However the phrase "Just like" may be a bit of a stretch (exaggeration).
Of course, in some cases, a given M$ product [
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 15:47 -0500, Dorian A. Monroe, II wrote:
> My take on that article is that Microsoft is offering classes to help
> get Americans more computer-literate so they become more valuable in
> today's down-turning job market.
Hmm. So, Microsoft is offering free classes to make pe
I run my own Jabber server for just my family (on Linux just to make
this more on-topic). This weekend I suddenly lost my connection from
my server to Google without doing anything to my Linux system. I can
see jabberd trying to make a connection to Google (gmail.com) but
nothing happens af
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 15:03 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote:
> It's obvious from this discussion and
> from things I have experienced, that software freedom is usually not
> highly valued. Worse, it's not even considered in many cases.
That is partially true. I do know of several..thousands actually..IT
Okay... it took me thirty-two minutes today to walk a user through
deleting their wedged Outlook Express inbox file so they could get mail
again. (The directions were basically no. 1 if they searched for the
error code).
32 minutes x 2 million = 1 1/15 million hours of overtime... assume $30
I'm sure we've all had that time when doing something with windows, you've
cried out, why is it making me do all this nonsense. Auggghhh !!!
Well it's nice to know that it even happens to that guy in charge.
LOL
Enjoy
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp
-Or
I apologize for not having more time, perhaps to dig up some of my old data.
However the methodology went something like this. Equipment + Install +
Configuration + User time cost + Time cost for upgrades, maintenance, and
expansion/changes. Assuming you have an average size small business. In
t
True Office can be expensive. When purchased OEM it typically drops from
$200 to $60 (or free depending on how desperate our Dell rep was that day)
But we are just looking at outlook, so $30 is about rite. As for kind of
licensing I did users, since we had about 1.25 machines per user. You don't
I concur.
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I also concur
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Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good
Ironically this was part of
I am some what sorry to say this but if you think TCO and ROI are beside the
point you will never make it into the upper echelon of IT management. Or
once their you will be driven slowly insane (Though I would applaud the
fight you would put up) Typically the people on the board don't care about
an
For me, software freedom is like the tie breaker. I will never offer a
product suggestion that does not fit the needs of the business just as I
never would higher an unqualified candidate because he is a friends son or
nephew or something. The most important thing is that the choice makes
busines
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/23/1957244
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Mike Schwartz
Glendale AZ
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Ok, lets talk lockin. Perhaps you can tell me how using Exchange is any
different then using any other product, like groupware. If I move off of
Exchange I can get every email, every calendar item, every contact, every
task and every note out and into other system. I can not tell how often I
have
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