Where did the degree requirement come from for programmers?

2012-01-13 Thread keith smith
Hi, I'm wondering if anyone knows where the degree requirement came from for developers. In the early 80's there were very few computer courses available.  I talked with a guy in about 1988 who told me he was a math major because that was the closest thing to a computer science degree in

Re: Where did the degree requirement come from for programmers?

2012-01-13 Thread Kevin Fries
This requirement comes from the same place as most requirements of this ilk. Plausable deny-ability. - We need a qualified programmer - HR does not know (and often neither does the hiring manager, or policy maker) how to assess programming skills. By requiring a degree, you can't fire the

Re: (OT HDW question update) update

2012-01-13 Thread Stephen
Id say try the adapter you have on the card you prefer. if it doesn't work go to plan b. Because i do know they can do odd things with the pinouts from a card and allot of graphics vendors make VGA something that can be at least connected and used. so while it is supposed to be A, you can get B

Re: Where did the degree requirement come from for programmers?

2012-01-13 Thread Brian Weaver
I know many non-degree system admins at the large, blue in color fortune 500 company I work for in Chandler. Most were probably hired when the economy was booming back in the 90s and skilled IT people were in short supply. If they were applying today I suspect they would have a much harder time

Re: Where did the degree requirement come from for programmers?

2012-01-13 Thread Lisa Kachold
Most position requirements (and some degree programs) require experience OR education. You can actually also take CLEP courses in leiu of classes, just as LONG as you PAY. In government postions, educational caste systems related to pay scale are not negotiable. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM,

Re: Where did the degree requirement come from for programmers?

2012-01-13 Thread Sam Kreimeyer
All the (junior/entry level network or system administrator) IT positions I looked at in Arkansas had experience as the mandatory requirement of typically no less than three years. Occasionally they would allow a combination of degree and experience. It's a good time to be an employer. On

Re: no such partition~I hurt my machine

2012-01-13 Thread Lisa Kachold
Good job Michael! Now you get to run everything under the BT menu; while also looking at the youtube videos! On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I figured that the backtrack install was brand new and I hadn't done anythin g to it except apt-get upgrade so

Re: Where did the degree requirement come from for programmers?

2012-01-13 Thread Kevin Fries
On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 09:01 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote: Most position requirements (and some degree programs) require experience OR education. I agree, whether they actually mean that or not is another question. I started college, but ran out of money so I never got my degree. A friend I

Re: Scientific Linux

2012-01-13 Thread Ben Browning
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:48 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: If the patch cycle is as quick as Cent/RHEL, it may be prod-ready. net patch cycles have historically track out substantially identically; CentOS just completed a re-engineering cycle with the 6 major release which,

Re: Where did the degree requirement come from for programmers?

2012-01-13 Thread Stephen
from the conversation i have had with headhunters and hireing managers/HR people. usually the 4 year degree is a filter, and they use it to slow down the number of applicants to a hopefully more manageable level. and for them this is a win win, because if you have a 2 or 4 year degree with any

Re: Scientific Linux

2012-01-13 Thread Stephen
That is correct because really the difference is in the support of the code and the materials surrounding it. as they are both forks of the RHEL open source code. For me Centos was easier to work with because it had more information and documentation. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:34 PM, R P Herrold

Re: no such partition~I hurt my machine

2012-01-13 Thread Sam Kreimeyer
And not having to run msfupdate every time you go out to play is a big time saver : ). --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:

Re: Where did the degree requirement come from for programmers?

2012-01-13 Thread Phillip Waclawski
As an interesting example on the other side, was some of the weird experience requirements when I was looking for a job in mid 90s. I was interviewing for a job and when they said they only wanted senior admins with years of experience, and not a junior adminI asked, well, do you EVER hire

Intriguing Education Project

2012-01-13 Thread Dazed_75
Article and a video http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Marvell-SMILE-Plug/?kc=rss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Also remove all of the