Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-21 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Ok - if I issue you your set of keys and then some one comes along and says - Hey I need to see that stuff or your out - I could just issue you new keys, and keep a set for my self and then every time they say - give me the data from X I use my copy to unlock the data and hand it over. It is

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-20 Thread Bryan O'Neal
...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Kurt Granroth Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:18 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Blackbeery no longer secure On 08/18/2010 11:20 PM, der.hans wrote: Am 18. Aug, 2010

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-20 Thread Stephen
I don't see how the Saudi Arabia and India folks would be able to do anything with the BES encryption channels, so long as the activation key exchange doesn't occur OTA. This is exactly their complaint, they cant do anything so in lieu of that they are telling RIM to let them in or get banned

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread der.hans
Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM phone call for about $1500 in equipment and sniff unecrypted data. As I understood it BB made the point of encrypting all of their data - iphone and android levee it to the

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Stephen
The tech is there for example enigmail thunderbird On Aug 18, 2010 11:20 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM phone call for about $150... Well, then there's an opportunity. We

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Cope
RIM = Research In Motion - the company behind Blackberry. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: der.hans wrote: Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM phone call for about $1500 in

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Kurt Granroth
On 08/18/2010 11:20 PM, der.hans wrote: Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM phone call for about $1500 in equipment and sniff unecrypted data. As I understood it BB made the point of encrypting all of their data

RE: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Harold Wong
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Kurt Granroth Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:18 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Blackbeery no longer secure On 08/18/2010 11:20 PM, der.hans wrote: Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: Generaly BB

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Yes and no - Rim does not - but the end mail point it hands off to does. Much like if my server uses the paypal API I pass encrypted data to pay pall and pass it back - I never see your actual information - Rim does something similar. But they are changing that and testing the new method where

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread James Lee Bell
@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Blackbeery no longer secure On 08/18/2010 11:20 PM, der.hans wrote: Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM phone call for about $1500 in equipment and sniff unecrypted data. As I understood

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
/assets/documents/Cyberspace_Policy_Review_final.pdf It is a 76 PDF. Keith Smith --- On *Sat, 8/14/10, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com * wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com Subject: Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-15 Thread keith smith
bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com Subject: Blackbeery no longer secure To: Arizona State University Linux Users Group asu...@asu.edu, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, August 13

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-15 Thread Mark Phillips
--- On *Sat, 8/14/10, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com * wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com Subject: Re: Blackbeery no longer secure To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 12:41 PM I

Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-14 Thread Bryan O'Neal
What is up with RIM? They are falling in country after country to governments that want to spy on their citizens! First the UAE and now India? http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67151F20100813 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-14 Thread keith smith
its future in the world's fastest-growing telecoms market. Keith Smith --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com Subject: Blackbeery no longer secure To: Arizona State University

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-14 Thread Stephen
bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com * wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com Subject: Blackbeery no longer secure To: Arizona State University Linux Users Group asu...@asu.edu, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, August 13

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-14 Thread Lisa Kachold
: From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com Subject: Blackbeery no longer secure To: Arizona State University Linux Users Group asu...@asu.edu, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 11:45 PM What is up with RIM

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-14 Thread Bryan O'Neal
no longer secure To: Arizona State University Linux Users Group asu...@asu.edu, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 11:45 PM What is up with RIM? They are falling in country after country to governments that want to spy on their citizens