Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-21 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Ok - if I issue you your set of keys and then some one comes along and says - Hey I need to see that stuff or your out - I could just issue you new keys, and keep a set for my self and then every time they say - give me the data from X I use my copy to unlock the data and hand it over. It is concep

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-20 Thread Stephen
" I don't see how the Saudi Arabia and India folks would be able to do anything with the BES encryption channels, so long as the activation key exchange doesn't occur OTA. " This is exactly their complaint, they cant do anything so in lieu of that they are telling RIM to let them in or get banned

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-20 Thread Bryan O'Neal
og: blogs.technet.com/haroldwong >> MCITP Server Administrator | MCITP Enterprise Administrator | MCITP >> Enterprise Messaging Administrator 2007 / 2010 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> [mailto:plug-discu

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread James Lee Bell
...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Kurt > Granroth > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:18 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Blackbeery no longer secure > > > > On 08/18/2010 11:20 PM, der.hans wrote: >> Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzt

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Yes and no - Rim does not - but the end mail point it hands off to does. Much like if my server uses the paypal API I pass encrypted data to pay pall and pass it back - I never see your actual information - Rim does something similar. But they are changing that and testing the new method where they

RE: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Harold Wong
.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Kurt Granroth Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:18 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Blackbeery no longer secure On 08/18/2010 11:20 PM, der.hans wrote: > Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzt

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Kurt Granroth
On 08/18/2010 11:20 PM, der.hans wrote: > Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: > >> Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM >> phone >> call for about $1500 in equipment and sniff unecrypted data. As I >> understood >> it BB made the point of encrypting all of

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Cope
RIM = Research In Motion - the company behind Blackberry. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: > der.hans wrote: > >> Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: >> >> Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM >>> phone >>> call for about $1500 in equi

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Shubert
der.hans wrote: Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM phone call for about $1500 in equipment and sniff unecrypted data. As I understood it BB made the point of encrypting all of their data - iphone and android levee i

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-18 Thread Stephen
The tech is there for example enigmail thunderbird On Aug 18, 2010 11:20 PM, "der.hans" wrote: Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: > Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM phone > call for about $150... Well, then there's an opportunity. We need android m

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-18 Thread der.hans
Am 18. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so: Generaly BB was considerd the most secure. I can listen into any GSM phone call for about $1500 in equipment and sniff unecrypted data. As I understood it BB made the point of encrypting all of their data - iphone and android levee it to the applicatio

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/Cyberspace_Policy_Review_final.pdf >> >> It is a 76 PDF. >> >> >> Keith Smith >> >> >> --- On *Sat, 8/14/10, Bryan O'Neal > >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Bryan O&#x

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-15 Thread Mark Phillips
ith Smith > > > --- On *Sat, 8/14/10, Bryan O'Neal > * wrote: > > > From: Bryan O'Neal > Subject: Re: Blackbeery no longer secure > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > I get a 404 on your l

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-15 Thread keith smith
http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/Cyberspace_Policy_Review_final.pdf It is a 76 PDF. Keith Smith --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Bryan O'Neal wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal Subject: Re: Blackbeery no longer secure To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Da

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-14 Thread Bryan O'Neal
ead >>> email and instant messages sent over the BlackBerry. New Delhi says it will >>> pull the plug if RIM won't comply, threatening its future in the world's >>> fastest-growing telecoms market. >>> >>> >>> K

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-14 Thread Lisa Kachold
Smith >> >> --- On *Fri, 8/13/10, Bryan O'Neal > >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Bryan O'Neal >> Subject: Blackbeery no longer secure >> To: "Arizona State University Linux Users Group" , "Main >> PLUG discussion list" >> D

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-14 Thread Stephen
ith Smith > > --- On *Fri, 8/13/10, Bryan O'Neal > * wrote: > > > From: Bryan O'Neal > Subject: Blackbeery no longer secure > To: "Arizona State University Linux Users Group" , "Main > PLUG discussion list" > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 11:

Re: Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-14 Thread keith smith
hreatening its future in the world's fastest-growing telecoms market. Keith Smith --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Bryan O'Neal wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal Subject: Blackbeery no longer secure To: "Arizona State University Linux Users Group" , "Main PLUG

Blackbeery no longer secure

2010-08-13 Thread Bryan O'Neal
What is up with RIM? They are falling in country after country to governments that want to spy on their citizens! First the UAE and now India? http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67151F20100813 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug