Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-18 Thread JT Moree
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 keith smith wrote: > Okay, however other than limited academic programs I have not seen M$ > give away the OS. I think if they did that would be proof that they are > using their monopoly power to keep and gain even more market share. > > So lets hop

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread keith smith
I'm not aware of MicroSoft giving away anything. Can you provide an example? Dale Farnsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Keith Smith wrote: > > Do you mean free utilities on top of their OS to increase sales and to > kill off businesses in vertical markets? > > Such as adding networking to the

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread Josef Lowder
. On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, keith smith wrote > I'm not aware of MicroSoft giving away anything. > Can you provide an example? Sure. M$ has given away uncountable gazillions of virus infections, trojans, worms, spy-bots, error messages, lockups, blue screens of death, headaches, and heartaches.

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 10:24 -0700, der.hans wrote: > Am 16. Nov, 2007 schwätzte keith smith so: > > > Okay, however other than limited academic programs I have not seen M$ give > > away the OS. I think if they did that would be proof that they are using > > their monopoly power to keep and gain

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread Dale Farnsworth
Keith Smith wrote: > I'm not aware of MicroSoft giving away anything. Can you provide an example? Well, "giving away" is an exaggeration. They provide deep discounts. In China, for example, single copies of MS Vista retail at $66, one third of the US price. See

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread der.hans
Am 16. Nov, 2007 schwätzte keith smith so: Okay, however other than limited academic programs I have not seen M$ give away the OS. I think if they did that would be proof that they are using their monopoly power to keep and gain even more market share. So lets hope they do give away the OS.

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 09:50 -0600, Josef Lowder wrote: > . > On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, keith smith wrote > > I'm not aware of MicroSoft giving away anything. > > Can you provide an example? > > > Oh, and leave us not forget that Bill Gates, the great > philanthropist, has personally given away som

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread keith smith
Okay, however other than limited academic programs I have not seen M$ give away the OS. I think if they did that would be proof that they are using their monopoly power to keep and gain even more market share. So lets hope they do give away the OS. Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fr

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread Craig White
Why would they 'give' away an OS that they already have the power to make everyone buy in the US and Europe whether they want it or not? There are countries in Asia that have been 'unwilling' to pay for copies of Windows and Microsoft has created categories of Windows software at neglible costs (c

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread keith smith
LOLROTF keith smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not aware of MicroSoft giving away anything. Can you provide an example? Dale Farnsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Keith Smith wrote: > > Do you mean free utilities on top of their OS to increase sales and to > kill off businesses in vertic

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread Josef Lowder
. On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, keith smith wrote > I'm not aware of MicroSoft giving away anything. > Can you provide an example? Oh, and leave us not forget that Bill Gates, the great philanthropist, has personally given away some percentage of the gargantuan fortune that he has amassed. Let's se

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread Dale Farnsworth
Keith Smith wrote: > > Do you mean free utilities on top of their OS to increase sales and to > kill off businesses in vertical markets? > > Such as adding networking to the OS where to network prior one would buy > a third party product. I'm pretty sure JT means that Microsoft will give away wi

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread keith smith
Do you mean free utilities on top of their OS to increase sales and to kill off businesses in vertical markets? Such as adding networking to the OS where to network prior one would buy a third party product. JT Moree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >

Re: Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-16 Thread JT Moree
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > indeed, going to comprise an enormous market which, I believe, > will ultimately push the overpriced, undervalued M$ entries > entirely out of that particular market segment. As prices > continue to fall and the capabilities of $199 and much, much

Defining "PC" categories -- was Walmart PC's are gone

2007-11-15 Thread Josef Lowder
. [snipped quotes] == Craig White wrote: > eMachines defined the concept of a ... specific hardware to meet > a price point/distribution target - much as Everex has done here. > ... no Microsoft tax ... trying to copy the Macintosh look/feel ;-) == Darrin Chandler wrote > The Everex desktops and