Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-19 Thread Stephen
I have just had my vmware workstation driven to a crawl by VM's running. but thats my general usage on top of that and I'm pretty heavy haded on my machines resources or spoiled both fit. and i have felt similar performance impacts when doing the same thing under Linux with vmware server on the

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
We really need to do a panel discussion on VM's for one of our meetings. VMware is also free for basic use. If you want enterprise features not available in things like virtual box you pay for it (But you do get a 10% LUG discount). You can run VMWare server on windows, linux, or even their own

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Stephen why the external drive vrs a virtual drive using virtual box or VMWare? Just seeing if you have something cool you can do with it I have not thought of. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: So far all great suggestions. If you can afford it i would

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Joseph Sinclair
Nice to see an on-topic post; thanks Mike. Depends on what you want to learn and how stable you need it to be. For stable, I'd go with the latest Fedora, RHEL (and plan to upgrade to 6 when it's out), or Debian stable (should be out soon). For more learning-on-the-edge I'd try sidux (In

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Stephen
I think my posts got blended with a dual boot the 2nd drive will allow you to preserve your finicky windows 7 bootsector It can help with some performance issues to have your virtual drives stored on a seperate physical drive from the OS especially in vmware server on windows it can make your

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Joseph - You are one of those people who, if you have the time, actually seeks to understand things as deeply as possible. Thus I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about Intel's Hyperthreading. A long time ago (say 5-7 years ago on the P4) I too had random issues but I never

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Shubert
Stephen wrote: It can help with some performance issues to have your virtual drives stored on a seperate physical drive from the OS especially in vmware server on windows it can make your system crawl I can't speak of VMware Server on windows, but on CentOS this doesn't seem to be much of a

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Stephen
What i personally envision for my desires is a dual boot system that can run the non-active system in VM. so if i boot windows i can run my Linux install in vm, or if o boot Linux i can run windows in VM. It can be done i think but i haven't had it work out well yet... (that whole flipping

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Shubert
Stephen wrote: What i personally envision for my desires is a dual boot system that can run the non-active system in VM. so if i boot windows i can run my Linux install in vm, or if o boot Linux i can run windows in VM. That would be possible if your Linux and Win are on their own drives. Raw

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Shubert
Eric Shubert wrote: Stephen wrote: What i personally envision for my desires is a dual boot system that can run the non-active system in VM. so if i boot windows i can run my Linux install in vm, or if o boot Linux i can run windows in VM. That would be possible if your Linux and Win are on

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Not to defend windows here but I have no issues with VM on windows. Mind you I use ESXi for all serious work related stuff now days but I use Server2 on my windows desktop with no issues. The only performance hit is that you need to pay attention to windows disk and memory optimization, which is

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Joseph Sinclair
Hyperthread isn't really multi-thread the way multiple cores is. What hyperthread does is de-bond two of the hyperscalar pipelines and run each thread's instructions through a different pipeline. If your workload per-thread is such that it works well with hyperscalar processing (nearly all of

Linux dual boot?

2010-05-17 Thread mike Enriquez
I am planning to build a dual boot workstation. It will a 64bit computer with Windows 7 pro but I have yet to select a linux distro. I am open to any suggestions. Which linux distro would you use. My only requirement is that it further my linux education. I am willing to try any Linux Distro in

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-17 Thread Tim Noeding
I recommend giving opensuse, ubuntu, and fedora a try. Any of those will be a great start. If you want to try a server, I'd go with centos since its exactly like rhel. If you have any questions feel free to contact me off list. from my DROID On May 17, 2010 9:58 PM, mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-17 Thread Mark Phillips
I am partial to Debian. I have it running on a a 64bit Dell laptop for about 6 months with no problems. I also run Windows 7 Pro as a virtual machine. Mark On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:58 PM, mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: I am planning to build a dual boot workstation. It will a 64bit

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-17 Thread Bryan O'Neal
I agree - The SuSE, RedHat (Fedora), and Debian (Ubuntu) branches are quite different but all very good. See which one you like best. Personally I loved SuSE at first but could not spend the time to learn it as well as Fedora or Ubuntu. And, well, Ubuntu just amazes me at how simple it can be for

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-17 Thread Eric Shubert
I concur. I also strongly recommend running additional hosts as virtual machines (either with VirtualBox or VMware Player/Workstation) instead of dual booting. VMs are much nicer to use. -- -Eric 'shubes' Bryan O'Neal wrote: I agree - The SuSE, RedHat (Fedora), and Debian (Ubuntu) branches

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-17 Thread Bryan O'Neal
I will agree with that as well. Unless you have a vid capture card or some other special hardware VM's are a much better option for learning Linux. And VMWare is supper easy On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: I concur. I also strongly recommend running

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-17 Thread Stephen
So far all great suggestions. If you can afford it i would suggest a new/extra HDD for your Linux install and setting it to be your first drive (after you install windows with the spare drive unplugged That way you have a drive you can torture and alter to your hearts content, and you don't have

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-17 Thread Stephen
If you go with a virtual machine route you can also go with virtualbox. it has matured well, and has some hardware graphics acceleration. Also you can get a FOSS version that is cross platform. so if you decide to switch you can save your vm's and move them. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:49 PM,