Ben Browning wrote:
Eric Shubert wrote:
Nice piece, Ben. I might add that with a reduction in hardware comes
an increase in reliability.
To some degree, anyway... In N+1 clustering solutions, more hardware
leads to better stability.
Good point. My thinking context was in the absence of
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:
Ben Browning wrote:
Eric Shubert wrote:
Nice piece, Ben. I might add that with a reduction in hardware comes
an increase in reliability.
To some degree, anyway... In N+1 clustering solutions, more hardware
leads to
Nice piece, Ben. I might add that with a reduction in hardware comes an
increase in reliability.
I worked on a server some time ago that had SCSI drives which had a MTBF
of 36 years. The server had 72 of them. One failed every 6 months, like
clockwork.
Ben Browning wrote:
Hardware
Ed wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 21:13 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
On a slightly off topic question. How much free ipa experience do you have?
Can you do single sign on using free ipa for windows and Linux clients? How
OK so if I want to port my existing business landline 480-947-6100 (in
the original Scottsdale WHitney 7 exchange) to an Asterisk box... how do
I go about doing that? Will Qwest even let me port an old number (which
I don't want to lose) like that? Who do I pay to handle the SIP
connection?
Laurence J. Peter - If two wrongs don't make a right, try three.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Bill Lindley wlind...@wlindley.comwrote:
OK so if I want to port my existing business landline 480-947-6100 (in
the original Scottsdale WHitney 7 exchange) to an Asterisk box... how do
I go
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OK so if I want to port my existing business landline 480-947-6100 (in the
original Scottsdale WHitney 7 exchange) to an Asterisk box... how do
My sell on it is VMware ESXi will allow you to load your dead server
on any other machine running ESXi wich is free so your dead server can
be up and running in 15-20 min instead of 2-4 days depending on how
long it takes to get failed hardware working again.
i sold a number fo them that way very
I was actually helping someone plan a business model on this idea, you
have a server in place as part of a paid IT contract it would cover a
loaner server fro just this scenario so your data could be move
imported and running as is in a minimal amount of timew while the
ahrdware as checked
Hardware agnosticism is one of the best benefits. I love ESXi dearly.
Consider this: 2x redundant DNS servers, 2x redundant mail servers, 2x
redundant file servers A decent DMZ buildout for a small office.
With ESXi you can do that in 2U of rack space and have complete physical
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:36
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 21:13 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
On a slightly off topic question. How much free ipa experience do you have?
Can you do single sign on using free ipa for windows and Linux clients? How
easy is it
, 2009 6:53 PM
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On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 15:03 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote:
It's obvious from this discussion and
from things I have experienced, that software freedom is usually not
highly
Honestly I would love to see a real floss solution to sbs as a whole
I have seen things close but pt quite
Maybe ill start building something as a personal project
Not that I can code to save my life.
On 2/23/09, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 14:14 -0700,
projects? Anyone
know?
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Bryan O'Neal
bon...@cornerstonehome.comwrote:
I apologize for not having more time, perhaps to dig up some of my old
data. However the methodology went something like this. Equipment +
Install + Configuration + User time cost + Time cost for upgrades,
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 08:36 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
I could code to save my life, but not well enough to start a whole project.
However, for something like a sbs solution I would think the real talent
would be in just creating a distro that had solutions pre installed and
configured with a
Vince Lombardi - Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 08:36 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
I could code to save my life, but not well enough to start a whole
project.
However, for
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Bryan O'Neal
bon...@cornerstonehome.comwrote:
I apologize for not having more time, perhaps to dig up some of my old
data. However the methodology went something like this. Equipment +
Install + Configuration + User time cost + Time cost for upgrades,
I suppose that we have come full circle on this topic.
Some are determined to only consider a single, consolidated package that
purports to take on Exchange Server on all fronts.
Some of us are willing to 'cobble' as you put it the various parts and
pieces of open source projects to
Also Windows Small Business Server does not support Terminal Services,
at least in SBS 2k3 outside of remote desktop administration. and I
think compileing a good list of what SBS really does, and adding to
that is a good start.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Bryan O'Neal
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 10:43 -0700, Stephen wrote:
It also explains the cobble mentality that alot of people have.
the 'cobble mentality' is core to open source. Everywhere you turn you
find it.
The whole notion is that you don't have to supply a dictionary and an
engine to access it but
Fran Lebowitz - You're only has good as your last haircut.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.comwrote:
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 10:43 -0700, Stephen wrote:
It also explains the cobble mentality that alot of people have.
the 'cobble mentality' is core to
I misused the term, it was never meant to be a bad thing, it just is
and everyone makes things tey like but none of them actually talk to
each other.
i guess that's what my original use of the word was to mean.
and the reason alot of people go with SBS is because that it is a
unified package.
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 11:48 -0700, Stephen wrote:
I misused the term, it was never meant to be a bad thing, it just is
and everyone makes things tey like but none of them actually talk to
each other.
i guess that's what my original use of the word was to mean.
and the reason alot of
the
resources for those functions.
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Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin
(Was:Re:newhotness?)
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 10:43 -0700, Stephen wrote:
It also explains the cobble mentality that alot of people have.
the 'cobble mentality' is core to open source. Everywhere you turn you find
it.
The whole
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Craig White wrote:
and then you're be another administrator who never took the time to
understand the underlying technologies, with no derived skills to
troubleshoot problems and no study why other parts/daemons might be
better suited for your particular needs.
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 13:03 -0700, Eric Cope wrote:
I still haven't seen a list of applications that rival Exchange. I
have a client that wants some of the features of exchange, but can't
afford it, making him a great candidate for FOSS. I just don't know
what packages to use. He would like
Just look at Vista and Windows 7, could someone please explain why the OS
went from 4GB in Win Xp to 11GB in Vista and Win 7 ??? without gaining and
new usability. Sure it's got nifty graphics, but 7GB worth ?
Really can anybody explain where the 7Gb went ?
I know a large part of that is actually
this si tough, i had found a web driven double entry accounting
application some time ago but i cannot remember the fool name of it.
if i track it back down ill definitely let you know.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote:
I still haven't seen a list of
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 13:03 -0700, Alex Dean wrote:
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Craig White wrote:
and then you're be another administrator who never took the time to
understand the underlying technologies, with no derived skills to
troubleshoot problems and no study why other
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 13:26 -0700, Stephen wrote:
Just look at Vista and Windows 7, could someone please explain why the OS
went from 4GB in Win Xp to 11GB in Vista and Win 7 ??? without gaining and
new usability. Sure it's got nifty graphics, but 7GB worth ?
Really can anybody explain where
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
this si tough, i had found a web driven double entry accounting
application some time ago but i cannot remember the fool name of it.
if i track it back down ill definitely let you know.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Eric
its not about not thinking its about having a series of solutions to
match a business need or desire that integrate with eachother. telling
me that im and then you're be another administrator who never took
the time to understand the underlying technologies, with no derived
skills to troubleshoot
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
I think the general intent is that disk space, like RAM is cheap and
they don't much care about wasted disk space.
My new Acer Aspire One. Windows XP SP3 w/ Open Office (MS Office Trial
version removed), AVG Free 8.0
On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Craig White wrote:
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 13:03 -0700, Alex Dean wrote:
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Craig White wrote:
and then you're be another administrator who never took the time to
understand the underlying technologies, with no derived skills to
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 14:04 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
I got an eee 701.. managed to load XP on an SD card but then Office
wouldn't install right (kept aborting during install because it didn't
like where it was installing to).
I ended up going to Mandriva. I chose Mandriva because it
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote:
On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Craig White wrote:
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 13:03 -0700, Alex Dean wrote:
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Craig White wrote:
and then you're be another administrator who never took the time to
On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:24 PM, JD Austin wrote:
If you're still working with Plesk I understand your pain!
Go here: http://atomicrocketturtle.com ... Scott's Plesk repository
and forum are WAY ahead of anything that swsoft puts out.
I stopped running a Plesk server last year and his repository
I know from personal experience that ubuntu 8.x works well but useing
their netbook install helped visually. With space on that little
screen
On 2/24/09, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 14:04 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
I got an eee 701.. managed to load XP on an
White
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On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 13:26 -0700, Stephen wrote:
Just look at Vista and Windows 7, could someone please explain why
the OS went from 4GB
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Bryan
, 2009 9:34 AM
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Vince Lombardi - Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 08:36
and a few others it would be easy to do.
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On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 10:43 -0700
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 21:13 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
On a slightly off topic question. How much free ipa experience do you have?
Can you do single sign on using free ipa for windows and Linux clients? How
easy is it to controlee policy? I have some time at the moment and may want
to look
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I remember the ACDSee picture program on Windows, when it first came
don't run well in wine.
_
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On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM
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this si
discussion list
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its not about not thinking its about having a series of solutions to match
a business need or desire that integrate with eachother. telling me that im
and then you're be another administrator who never took
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.comwrote:
Thank you very much for the update on Asterisks! I have always had a soft
spot for it and am exited that it is expanding into the market nicely :) As
for maintaining my servers, with cornerstone I was the director
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.comwrote:
Other then Google apps? No. I too would love to know. Their are some
issues with Google apps, such as the fact that I can not get contact syncing
working with a desktop client. I have tried a number of products
the
next ten will lead us.
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On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 23:48 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
And for cost I can put an exchange system in for a 70
person office with all the clients and servers licensed from
scratch with AD
and everything, including the server and my time to set it up
for
: Re: OT:Exchange good
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 19:02 -0700, Stephen P Rufle wrote:
I think one main thing is Either these things matter to your client
or they don't.. If there were a base product or a series of products
that just needed assembling to be as good or better then Exchange. I
would
This is mostly a personal prefrence discussion, but this one is a bit overbaord:
I suppose you can justify whatever you believe to be costs as you see
fit. The SBS version is by intent a hampered product to encourage
adoption - sort of like the drug dealer giving the drugs away until you
get
Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 19:02 -0700, Stephen P Rufle wrote:
I think one main thing is Either these things matter to your client
or they don't.. If there were a base product or a series of products
that just needed assembling to be as good or better then Exchange. I
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 15:03 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote:
These thread(s) which I spawned have been a mixed blessing. I learned
much but sometimes felt like I opened the door to sales pitches for
lock-in technology. Overall I have appreciated the discussion,
education and civil disagreement.
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 15:03 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote:
It's obvious from this discussion and
from things I have experienced, that software freedom is usually not
highly valued. Worse, it's not even considered in many cases.
That is partially true. I do know of several..thousands actually..IT
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Why do you think TCO of an Asterisk system is HIGHER than
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On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 23:48 -0700, JD
I concur.
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I also concur
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Ironically this was part
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On Mon
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These thread(s) which I spawned have been a mixed blessing. I learned much
but sometimes felt like I opened the door
of the software, but they are not the only factors.
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i can see this happening, and i would like to see more options besides
exchange. i think its healthy for dev teams to have something to
compete against.
but remember exchange is also backed by a huge suite of other things
that all work together and it all integrates. thats the flip side that
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On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 19:37 -0700, Alan
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:45 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
I disagree... Mostly.
- Tough to backup
Like any database it needs to be shut down for standard file backups to work
properly. This can be done via a simple script and is not a real issue.
However the use of back up programs like
I know the 2 bugaboos for excahnge in requirements is Disk IO for
large companies, (not as much an issue in a small sub 1000 users
company) and ram. exchange up to 2003 is a 4gb of ram beastie.
im not sure about the mailbox recovery, but i know it can run on ESXi
vm as long as you have 2 cores
, I get flamed from both sides.
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Well I haven't used the latest exchange and it's been a while, so maybe you
can tell me if they worked around the issues I had with it.
It requires it's own server
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I know the 2 bugaboos for excahnge in requirements is Disk IO for large
companies, (not as much an issue in a small sub 1000 users
company) and ram. exchange up to 2003 is a 4gb of ram beastie.
im not sure about
Would it be fair to say that MS keeps just enough of exchange or its
communication methods secret so that it is hard for others (OSS
projects) to create the same seamless integration available using the MS
native programs without buying a license for the secret technology .
It seems that the
, 2009 12:00 PM
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Subject: RE: OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)
Exchange works and for now it probably has the best calendar app. But MS
designed it to only work with it's own relatives, It was not designed to
play nice with the rest of the kids on the block
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I too am interested in a FOSS version of Exchange, so if anyone has any
recommendations, I am all ears.
Eric
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com
wrote
That understates it EXACTLY !!! lol
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;)
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On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:47 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
$1500 is the cost of the box, the server os, the exchange server, the AD,
and set up. The client licenses (aka outlook) run about $40 per user.
Since set up can be done off the AD controller (including client program
installation) there
I think one main thing is Either these things matter to your client or
they don't.. If there were a base product or a series of products that
just needed assembling to be as good or better then Exchange. I would
think a group of people could stitch it all together in a way that would
be sellable.
I will agree with this.
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 19:02 -0700, Stephen P Rufle wrote:
I think one main thing is Either these things matter to your client or
they don't.. If there were a base product or a series of products that
just needed assembling to be as good or better then Exchange. I would
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 19:02 -0700, Stephen P Rufle wrote:
I think one main thing is Either these things matter to your client or
they don't.. If there were a base product or a series of products that
just needed assembling to be as good or better then Exchange. I would
think a group of people
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On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:45 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
I disagree... Mostly.
- Tough to backup
Like any database it needs to be shut down
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree on exchange really
If you need just email exchange is the wrong thing but if you are
looking at all the other stuff I haven't seen anything close without
some serious work and cobbling
As a forced user of Exchange
What exchange can do is really good, but gettong it to work well is
almost Byzantine in its poorly doctumented way I have run them and
will do so again but the bugaboos that don't come up till its an issue
are the kicker and not worth it if your doing just email and the like
but it is petlt the
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 19:37 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree on exchange really
If you need just email exchange is the wrong thing but if you are
looking at all the other stuff I haven't seen anything close without
some
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