RE: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Ted Gould
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 15:02 -0700, Matt Graham wrote: > Ubuntu's problem AFAICT is that they're trying to be New! Shiny! and > Awesome!. This is a worthy goal, but it can lead to the system > being as stable as a stegosaurus on rocket-powered roller skates. > Debian seems to be much better at the

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Austin William Wright
Craig White wrote: > unfortunately it is not all around making your life easier but rather > there are libraries which provide dependencies for many different > packages and the incremental option will always hold back items because > software X requires newer version of library Y and software Z ca

RE: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Elzer
Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers... " This is a worthy goal, but it can lead to the system being as stable as a stegosaurus on rocket-powered roller skates." This honestly to me would be very stable as he wo

RE: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Elzer
old equipment. LOL -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Matt Graham Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:02 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: RE: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 a

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Stephen
only on those ever so powerful p4's ;-) On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jared Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Matt Graham > wrote: >> >> How extraordinarily annoying.  I have installed Gentoo once on my >> laptop, when I got it, 3 years ago, and have kept it up to date with >>

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Stephen
" This is a worthy goal, but it can lead to the system being as stable as a stegosaurus on rocket-powered roller skates." This honestly to me would be very stable as he would squash the skates and suffocate the rockets... :-D On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Matt Graham wrote: >> Bob Elzer wrote:

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Jared Anderson
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Matt Graham wrote: > > How extraordinarily annoying. I have installed Gentoo once on my > laptop, when I got it, 3 years ago, and have kept it up to date with > the portage system. I'm not surprised since it takes about 3 years to run 'emerge -u world' :-P ---

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 14:39 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: > Michael Butash wrote: > > I guess I'm lame in assuming or expecting that if they're going to offer > > an upgrade function, that it work. Microsoft has punished people for 25 > > years thinking such heretical thoughts even trying to use their >

RE: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Elzer
ug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:40 PM To: mich...@butash.net; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers... Michael Butash wro

RE: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Matt Graham
> Bob Elzer wrote: >> The best way to upgrade an OS is to do a fresh install. How extraordinarily annoying. I have installed Gentoo once on my laptop, when I got it, 3 years ago, and have kept it up to date with the portage system. In most cases, that approach Just Works from what I can see. I'

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Michael Butash
It's actually a good point Ryan - if they'd just backport more newer builds of software, it would obviate the need for massive upheaval which inevitably breaks half the things it does. The big-bang approach of dist-upgrades between revisions just simply doesn't work as it's been proven throughout

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Ryan Rix
Michael Butash wrote: > I guess I'm lame in assuming or expecting that if they're going to offer > an upgrade function, that it work. Microsoft has punished people for 25 > years thinking such heretical thoughts even trying to use their > *upgrades* between os's, but it's nice to dream that one da

RE: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Michael Butash
that need to be looked at in the new system. > > Doing these things makes a fresh install easier. > > > -Original Message- > From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Michael > Butash > Sent: Tue

RE: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Elzer
scuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Michael Butash Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:42 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers... I just upgraded from ibex to jaunty and to Karm

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Michael Butash
I rebuilt fresh my HTPC box with Jaunty not long ago with ext4, but I don't really see much of a difference than my favoured reiserfs. I built my video lvm slice with xfs as it comes most recommended for managing large files like the 12-20gb bluray rips it sees now, but once I add some disk space

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Jim March
Yeah, it was a clean install of Karmic Alpha4 that's so far worked great. That's also the only way to get the Ext4 benefits, so...yeah, I have to recommend that, bigtime. Jim --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To s

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Michael Butash
I just upgraded from ibex to jaunty and to Karmic on my laptop, and I've been having some major issues with it. No intel (thank goodness) to deal with, so can't attest to it. Suspend functions for me are now broken, gnome power manager is buggy at best, and my screen saver refuses to work. For a

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-18 Thread Jim March
> Fedora never had these problems :) > *ducks* Heh. Sure. It just does auto-updates to the release versions that break things. Fedora 11 shipped a bit after Jaunty and caught a few more of the Intel update bits, but still not "the whole deal" the way Karmic has. Karmic is what us Intel video gu

Re: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic" Alpha4 and the Intel video drivers...

2009-08-17 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Jim March<1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Folks, > > I have a laptop with the mediocre Intel 965/X3100 chipset.  In Ubuntu > Jaunty it ran like a turd until major tweaks were applied, and the > results weren't 100% stable.  Jaunty came out right as the Intel video >