Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Joseph Sinclair
Ryan Rix wrote: Not top posting cause Tuna is mean :P On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net wrote: While Google (and others) develop the Android O/S, the carriers make all the decisions about how open the phone is. The G1 is a *T-Mobile* phone, not

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread der.hans
Am 14. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Ryan Rix so: moin moin, Why hasn't the FSF done anything about this as much as cell phones are a part of this culture? The FSF does a lot. If you want it to do more get directly involved and make donations :). Make donations to EFF as well :). Is the Krave ZN4 out

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Charles Jones
Just thought I would mention the Apple IPhone. It is far from free or open, out of the box, but once jailbroken, they are unlocked and you can install any apps you want, including ones that you write yourself. There is also a free online course from Standford University that is teaching iphone

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Stephen
only issue i have with this is the iphone annoys me. :-) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: Just thought I would mention the Apple IPhone. It is far from free or open, out of the box, but once jailbroken, they are unlocked and you can install

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Joe
One could make the same arguments for a rooted G1 too. Once you have root, you can do whatever you want. I still wouldn't consider either option truly open though. -Joe Stephen wrote: only issue i have with this is the iphone annoys me. :-) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Charles Jones

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Carlos Macedo Gomes
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 14. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Ryan Rix so: Why hasn't the FSF done anything about this as much as cell phones are a part of this culture? The FSF does a lot. If you want it to do more get directly involved and make donations

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Ryan Rix
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 14. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Ryan Rix so: What about the Palm Pre with Sprint? How open will it be? I'm pretty sure it's locked to Sprint for a while, but will we be able to do our own updates and add non-signed apps? Runs

Truly Free phones?

2009-05-14 Thread Ryan Rix
Hey guys, Summer approaches and I need a new phone :) My wonderful flip phone (http://www.pantechusa.com/web/guest/pn210) has about a four hour battery life nowadays and does nothing that I want it to do (like send SMS reliably, have decent voice quality) and I'm ready to upgrade. I want to

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-14 Thread Tuna
Top posting cuz you made bottom posting a pita... Some of the OpenMoko builds are really stable. Like QT Extended or... Android :. Excerpts from phrkonaleash's message of Thu May 14 10:16:18 -0700 2009: Hey guys, Summer approaches and I need a new phone :) My wonderful flip phone

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-14 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com
http://openmoko.com/ Even the CAD drawings and the circuit board blueprints are on the WEB. I'm getting one soon! :) ET Ryan Rix writes: Hey guys, Summer approaches and I need a new phone :) My wonderful flip phone (http://www.pantechusa.com/web/guest/pn210) has about a four hour

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-14 Thread Joseph Sinclair
While Google (and others) develop the Android O/S, the carriers make all the decisions about how open the phone is. The G1 is a *T-Mobile* phone, not a Google Phone. Because Android is mostly Apache licensed, the carriers are free to modify it however they like for their phones, and they do

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-14 Thread Shawn Badger
Just a follow on your comment about you can only run the apps that T-Mobile permit. That isn't entirely true. Under Settings / Applications there is a checkbox that allows for applications form Unknown sources, by checking this box you can install any .apk file you want right from the developers

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-14 Thread Ryan Rix
Not top posting cause Tuna is mean :P On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net wrote: While Google (and others) develop the Android O/S, the carriers make all the decisions about how open the phone is. The G1 is a *T-Mobile* phone, not a Google Phone.