Laurence J. Peter - "If two wrongs don't make a right, try three."
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Bill Lindley wrote:
> OK so if I want to port my existing business landline 480-947-6100 (in
> the original Scottsdale WHitney 7 exchange) to an Asterisk box... how do
> I go about doing that? W
OK so if I want to port my existing business landline 480-947-6100 (in
the original Scottsdale WHitney 7 exchange) to an Asterisk box... how do
I go about doing that? Will Qwest even let me port an old number (which
I don't want to lose) like that? Who do I pay to handle the SIP
connection? Where
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> Thank you very much for the update on Asterisks! I have always had a soft
> spot for it and am exited that it is expanding into the market nicely :) As
> for maintaining my servers, with cornerstone I was the director of IT but
> their was n
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Austin
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Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin (Was:Re: new
hotness?)
On M
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Bryan O'Neal
wrote:
> I apologize for not having more time, perhaps to dig up some of my old
> data. However the methodology went something like this. Equipment +
> Install + Configuration + User time cost + Time cost for upgrades,
> maintenance, and expansion/
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Bryan O'Neal
wrote:
> I apologize for not having more time, perhaps to dig up some of my old
> data. However the methodology went something like this. Equipment +
> Install + Configuration + User time cost + Time cost for upgrades,
> maintenance, and expansion/
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Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin (Was:Re: new
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On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 23:48 -070
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of JD
Austin
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Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin (Was:Re: new
hotness?)
Why do you think TCO of an Asteri
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 23:48 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
> And for cost I can put an exchange system in for a 70
> person office with all the clients and servers licensed from
> scratch with AD
> and everything, including the server and my time to set it up
> for
ry
> software, just like in the business world I am the fringe voice of free and
> open source. So, I get flamed from both sides.
>
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Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin (Was:Re: new
hotness?)
I too am interested in a FOSS version of Exchange, so if anyone has any
recommendations, I am all ears.
Eric
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Bryan O'Neal
wrote:
Craig, I think you are mi
ay, February 20, 2009 12:00 PM
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Subject: RE: OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)
Exchange works and for now it probably has the best calendar app. But MS
designed it to only work with it's own relatives, It was not designed to
play nice with the
Would it be fair to say that MS keeps just enough of exchange or its
communication methods secret so that it is hard for others (OSS
projects) to create the same seamless integration available using the MS
native programs without buying a license for the secret technology .
It seems that the $1500
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> White
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> On Fri, 2009-
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Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)
I know the 2 bugaboos for excahnge in requirements is Disk IO for large
companies, (not as much an issue in a small sub 1000 users
company) and ram. exchange up to 2003 is a 4gb of ram beastie.
im not sure about the
Elzer
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Subject: RE: OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)
Well I haven't used the latest exchange and it's been a while, so maybe you
can tell me if they worked around the issues I had with it.
It requi
T:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:45 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> I disagree... Mostly.
> > - Tough to backup
> Like any database it needs to be shut down for standard file backups
> to work properly. This can be done via a simple script and is not
tion too.
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I kno
I know the 2 bugaboos for excahnge in requirements is Disk IO for
large companies, (not as much an issue in a small sub 1000 users
company) and ram. exchange up to 2003 is a 4gb of ram beastie.
im not sure about the mailbox recovery, but i know it can run on ESXi
vm as long as you have 2 cores and
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O'Neal
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Subject: RE: OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:45 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> I disagree... Mostly.
> > - Tough to backup
> Like any database it needs to be shut down for standard file backups to work
> properly. This can be done via a simple script and is not a real issue.
> However the use of back up programs like
cant be integrated, he
just says it's not open and that's enough :)
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Craig
White
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 PM
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i can see this happening, and i would like to see more options besides
exchange. i think its healthy for dev teams to have something to
compete against.
but remember exchange is also backed by a huge suite of other things
that all work together and it all integrates. thats the flip side that
compe
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 19:37 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Stephen wrote:
> > I agree on exchange really
> > If you need just email exchange is the wrong thing but if you are
> > looking at all the other stuff I haven't seen anything close without
> > some serious wor
On Thursday 19 February 2009 22:34:17 you wrote:
> Rely! KDE Kontact! I am so going to check that out this weekend! Thanks
>
> :)
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> Dayley
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> Subject: OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:
What exchange can do is really good, but gettong it to work well is
almost Byzantine in its poorly doctumented way I have run them and
will do so again but the bugaboos that don't come up till its an issue
are the kicker and not worth it if your doing just email and the like
but it is petlt the bes
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 14:51 -0700, Stephen wrote:
> I have been looking about for the new hotness as it were. and
> wondering what dis has something really groundbreaking that makes it
> worthwhile to look at.
>
> I guess part of me is tired of the flavor of the month distribut
2009 7:38 PM
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Subject: OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Stephen wrote:
> I agree on exchange really
> If you need just email exchange is the wrong thing but if you are
> looking at all the other stuff I haven'
On Thursday 19 February 2009 18:12:00 Francis Earl wrote:
> > My personal list of Distributions i have spent some real quality time
> > with
> >
> > Ubuntu/Debian
> > Fedora/Red Hat new and old/Centos
> > Suse/Opensuse
> > Gentoo
>
> You should take some time to look at Arch. While it isn't partic
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen
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hehe i liked FreeBSD but it really didnt bring enough to the table other
than being the other *nix
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Stephen wrote:
> I agree on exchange really
> If you need just email exchange is the wrong thing but if you are
> looking at all the other stuff I haven't seen anything close without
> some serious work and cobbling
As a forced user of Exchange via Outlook I consi
> My personal list of Distributions i have spent some real quality time with
>
> Ubuntu/Debian
> Fedora/Red Hat new and old/Centos
> Suse/Opensuse
> Gentoo
You should take some time to look at Arch. While it isn't particularly
new (2002 first release) it is basically the ideal distro.
Packaging
hange is no harder the any other MS server product. ;)
>
> Ok, now that I have dove in here, let me get the fire suit on before I get
> roasted alive :)
>
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No technical professional today can afford to not become familiar and
hehe i liked FreeBSD but it really didnt bring enough to the table
other than being the other *nix for me. i should learn it in a real
way eventually but i like linux just fine. OpenSolaris really gave me
nothing at all interesting except it was by sun ... but that was
running on my 2002 P4 beast o
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I came to list not for one answer but for many... :-)
ill have tolook at the open VZ/Virtuozzo sometime as we need a pretty hefty
virtual datacenter at some point. we are useing ESXi now but the
virtualcenter is horribly expensive even at th
Play with BSD or OpenSolaris
At the last Stammtisch we were talking about Myth TV and Squeeze Box
maybe that would be interesting.
Stephen wrote:
> I have been looking about for the new hotness as it were. and
> wondering what dis has something really groundbreaking that makes it
> wort
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:56:02 +
No technical professional today can afford to not become familiar and
proficient with KNOPPIX including checking out the excellent O'Reilly Kn
I came to list not for one answer but for many... :-)
ill have tolook at the open VZ/Virtuozzo sometime as we need a pretty
hefty virtual datacenter at some point. we are useing ESXi now but the
virtualcenter is horribly expensive even at the 40 some % off we
would get as a not for profit. but th
rosoft-ish interface.
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> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:51:55 -0700
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>
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> Subject: new hotness?
>
> I have been looking about for the new hotness as it were. and wondering what
> dis has something really groundbreaki
ists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:52 PM
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Subject: new hotness?
I have been looking about for the new hotness as it were. and wondering what
dis has something really groundbreaking that makes it worthwhile to look at.
I gu
I have been looking about for the new hotness as it were. and
wondering what dis has something really groundbreaking that makes it
worthwhile to look at.
I guess part of me is tired of the flavor of the month distributions
that are esentially something else with a new look and a slightly
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