Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-19 Thread Alex LeDonne
On Feb 16, 2008 12:11 AM, Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - There is great value in experts, even true experts, writing peer reviewed articles. There are many avenues such as journals and other publications for their contributions. There is also great value in allowing people with

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-19 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 2/19/08, Alex LeDonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2008 12:11 AM, Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - There is great value in experts, even true experts, writing peer reviewed articles. There are many avenues such as journals and other publications for their contributions.

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-18 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 22:11 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 18:40 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Thank you all. I should have thought of wikipedia! Just wondering...I occasionally run into people that dismiss wikipedia out of hand citing a lack of

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Feb 18, 2008 10:44 AM, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 22:11 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 18:40 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Thank you all. I should have thought of wikipedia! Just wondering...I occasionally run

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-18 Thread Dazed_75
On Feb 18, 2008 11:52 AM, Joshua Zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Craig, I've actually done a bit of work in the area of web-to-print media and the situation is somewhat complex. While the inertia of habit certainly has a lot to do with peoples tendency to favor print, there are

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Feb 18, 2008 12:15 PM, Dazed_75 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 18, 2008 11:52 AM, Joshua Zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Craig, I've actually done a bit of work in the area of web-to-print media and the situation is somewhat complex. While the inertia of habit certainly

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-18 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 12:22 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Larry, the problem though with Wikipedia is that the actual basis of credibility on which a given article rests is virtually intractable. There are thousands of apparent contributors all adding, deleting, editing portions of the

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-18 Thread Dazed_75
Sorry, but I must beg to differ. I will not paint anything with such a broad brush. I will continue to use it and to form my own judgements. Of course I will err on the side of no trust when it comes to economic, socio-political, and other soft subjects. Of course I also do not trust the

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Feb 18, 2008 2:39 PM, Dazed_75 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but I must beg to differ. I will not paint anything with such a broad brush. I will continue to use it and to form my own judgements. Of course I will err on the side of no trust when it comes to economic, socio-political,

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Feb 18, 2008 2:34 PM, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 11:52 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I've actually done a bit of work in the area of web-to-print media and the situation is somewhat complex. While the inertia of habit certainly has a lot to do with

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-18 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 15:05 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I have no knowledge of the amount of claims to inaccuracies of wikipedia, nor to the extent or the grievousness of inaccuracies. it does seem that everyone has drunk the Wikipedia Kool-aid... are you incapable of seeing how

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-17 Thread Dazed_75
Personally, I love wikipedia, use it frequently and agree with Alan's assessments. That said, I have two qualifications: 1) I trust it hugely more for technical and purely factual information than I do for anything soft such as biographies, history, social events. 2) If an article even seems to

Re: zImage compressed with what?

2008-02-16 Thread Sir Light
Hello Deepan. Deepan Chakravarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2008 5:15 AM, Sir Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, It's either bzip or gzip. So does the boot loader uncompress the kernel ? if not when and how does the kernel get uncompressed ? From what I can

Re: zImage compressed with what?

2008-02-15 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Matt Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zImage became obsolete in the 2.4 series. Now you always get a bzImage, which is not bzip2, but big zImage. If I'm not totally on crack, the Ah yes, thanks for the clarification...

zImage compressed with what?

2008-02-15 Thread Alan Dayley
The Linux kernel is compressed and placed in a zImage file. What is the compression format of that file. I've never had to look into it before but I am now. I figure one of you may already know. Alan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: zImage compressed with what?

2008-02-15 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Linux kernel is compressed and placed in a zImage file. What is the compression format of that file. I've never had to look into it before but I am now. I figure one of you may already know. zimage is just gzip

Re: zImage compressed with what?

2008-02-15 Thread Sir Light
Alan, It's either bzip or gzip. Jon Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Linux kernel is compressed and placed in a zImage file. What is the compression format of that file. I've never had to look into it before but I am now. I figure one of you may already know. Alan

Re: zImage compressed with what?

2008-02-15 Thread Alan Dayley
Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Matt Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zImage became obsolete in the 2.4 series. Now you always get a bzImage, which is not bzip2, but big zImage. If I'm not totally on crack, the Ah yes, thanks for the clarification...

Re: zImage compressed with what?

2008-02-15 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 18:40 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Matt Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zImage became obsolete in the 2.4 series. Now you always get a bzImage, which is not bzip2, but big zImage. If I'm not totally on

Re: zImage compressed with what?

2008-02-15 Thread Deepan Chakravarthy
On Feb 16, 2008 5:15 AM, Sir Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, It's either bzip or gzip. So does the boot loader uncompress the kernel ? if not when and how does the kernel get uncompressed ? -- Sudoku Solver: http://sudoku-solver.net ---

Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-15 Thread Alan Dayley
Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 18:40 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Thank you all. I should have thought of wikipedia! Just wondering...I occasionally run into people that dismiss wikipedia out of hand citing a lack of accuracy. Needless to say, I get a little excited because even

OT: Re: zImage compressed with what?

2008-02-15 Thread Harold
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 20:19 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 18:40 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Matt Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zImage became obsolete in the 2.4 series. Now you always get a bzImage,

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-15 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 2/15/08, Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 18:40 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Thank you all. I should have thought of wikipedia! Just wondering...I occasionally run into people that dismiss wikipedia out of hand citing a lack of

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-15 Thread Alan Dayley
Errors and omissions corrected below. Too many children, nieces and a nephew running around here. And I'm tired. Alan Alan Dayley wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 18:40 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Thank you all. I should have thought of wikipedia! Just wondering...I

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-15 Thread Marvin O Fretwell
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:11:50 -0700 Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I try to express these ideas: - They are correct, it is likely that some of the information in Wikipedia articles is wrong. - Since Wikipedia requires references and places that need them get flagged, references

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-15 Thread Alan Dayley
Joshua Zeidner wrote: Alan, just curious, are you speaking from experience as someone who has actually tried to add substantial information to Wikipedia, or are you just enumerating the values of the Wikipedia community? I have not contributed substantial information to Wikipedia,

Re: Wikipedia objections (Was: Re: zImage compressed with what?)

2008-02-15 Thread Alan Dayley
Alan Dayley wrote: I have not contributed substantial information to Wikipedia, though I have made some corrections and small additions here and there. I also --[clip]-- the bad of Wikipedia all rolled up. And all of that came out of my understanding of what I see and read. I'm sure