[pmwiki-users] Bug: vardoc.php

2009-02-19 Thread Eemeli Aro
Line 53: $vpage = ReadPage($vname); @$loaded[$vname]++; Should be: $vpage = ReadPage($vname, READPAGE_CURRENT); @$loaded[$vname]++; Since only the page text is accessed, it's inefficient to load the whole page array. BTW, is this the best way to mention minor bugs and inconveniences like this?

[pmwiki-users] Sandbox with examples as newbie help?

2009-02-19 Thread Oliver Betz
Hello All, in addition to the ongoing discussion about the beginner documentation: What do you think about preloading the sandbox with examples of the basic markup? This way a newbie had a documenting starting point for his first steps. Oliver -- Oliver Betz, Muenchen (oliverbetz.de)

Re: [pmwiki-users] Re-thinking Intro to markup pages

2009-02-19 Thread Oliver Betz
Mark Paterson wrote: I wondered if a newbie opinion would be useful in thinking of what to put on this page. newbie opinions are exactly the kind of information needed. My first day using PmWiki I got stuck because I had no idea how to get started. So I went to Google and found a link to the

Re: [pmwiki-users] pmwiki-users Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43

2009-02-19 Thread philippe . krait
- The following is an automated response - to your message generated on behalf of philippe.kr...@thalesgroup.com Bonjour, je suis en congé entre le 13/02/09 midi et le 22/02/09 au soir. Je lirais probablement mes mails de temps en temps, mais en cas d'urgence, vous pouvez me

Re: [pmwiki-users] Re-thinking Intro to markup pages

2009-02-19 Thread Risner, Travis (Dublin)
Original message from John Rankin: [snip] I have another question: should ! for a heading 1 be included? I left it out; Peter added it. There are arguments for and against. What led me to leave it out is that there is no gui button for h1. JR I asked this myself a while back. The answer I

Re: [pmwiki-users] Rating cookbooks: a concrete suggestion

2009-02-19 Thread David Spitzley
Sounds comparatively unobtrusive to me. David Eemeli Aro eem...@gmail.com 2/18/2009 4:15 PM Together, these changes will allow the easiest and least intrusive way for people to indicate their usage of a cookbook recipe, as well as the presentation of that information. For more in-depth

[pmwiki-users] wikiform ptv change

2009-02-19 Thread edwin marte
Hi All once again! :-) As far as I can see (understand) Wikiforms works with PTV as definition List [ example-- :PTVname: PTVValue ] . I have a system where instead of using the markup of wikiform I'd like using ZAP forms (More Flexible, but keep using the wikilist). The problem arrises

Re: [pmwiki-users] Rating cookbooks: a concrete suggestion

2009-02-19 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:15:06PM +0200, Eemeli Aro wrote: 1. Add a new 'Users:' title as the last in the recipeinfo box on Cookbook.Template. This can then be added to other recipes organically, and should become a comma-delimited list of users of the recipe. A link to a profile page is

Re: [pmwiki-users] Sandbox with examples as newbie help?

2009-02-19 Thread DaveG
Brent Marshall wrote: not survive too many edits. One might get around this with some mechanism to periodically restore the sandbox to a basic state that included the examples. That's actually what happens today -- the sandbox is purged every 15 minutes. ~ ~ Dave

Re: [pmwiki-users] Rating cookbooks: a concrete suggestion

2009-02-19 Thread DaveG
Chris Cox wrote: If you have a Rating Group per cookbook, then create authored pages under the group if you like it/use it. A pagelist count could be shown on the cookbook page. A separate page per cookbook (or even a group) with a name per line sounds like a good idea. Kind of like the

Re: [pmwiki-users] Rating cookbooks: a concrete suggestion

2009-02-19 Thread Chris Cox
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 14:46 -0500, DaveG wrote: Chris Cox wrote: If you have a Rating Group per cookbook, then create authored pages under the group if you like it/use it. A pagelist count could be shown on the cookbook page. A separate page per cookbook (or even a group) with a name per

Re: [pmwiki-users] Rating cookbooks: a concrete suggestion

2009-02-19 Thread Randy Brown
Ignore this if it's off the wall, since I haven't followed this thread, but why not just do this: On the Recipe page: Rating: (: some directive - new or existing - that presents a summary based on the information in the Talk page :) [[{*$FullName}-Talk|View discussion]] |

Re: [pmwiki-users] Rating cookbooks: a concrete suggestion

2009-02-19 Thread DaveG
Randy Brown wrote: A Talk page seems like an appropriate place to put opinions, and isn't that what a rating is? This way we can have free form discussion as well as a way to present a summary of the sentiment. The rating could be a single metric or multiple metrics (opinions of casual

Re: [pmwiki-users] Rating cookbooks: a concrete suggestion

2009-02-19 Thread Randy Brown
Three arguments for putting recipe ratings and discussion on a Talk page: 1. It encourages discussion about the recipe. I hate to clutter documentation with insider comments. But on a Talk page, I'd feel freer to say what I think - even if it's a minor point or something I'm not sure

Re: [pmwiki-users] Rating cookbooks: a concrete suggestion

2009-02-19 Thread Eemeli Aro
2009/2/20 DaveG pmw...@solidgone.com: The summary of the rating should definitely be on the cookbook page. I think the actual ratings should go somewhere else though (like the Talk page). To clarify my own position, I'm not actually advocating for rating recipes, but for listing the users of a

Re: [pmwiki-users] Rating cookbooks: a concrete suggestion

2009-02-19 Thread DaveG
Eemeli Aro wrote: 2009/2/20 DaveG pmw...@solidgone.com: To clarify my own position, I'm not actually advocating for rating recipes, but for listing the users of a recipe. Admittedly the message topic might be a bit misleading, as I copied it from the earlier discussion. Good point -- I'm

Re: [pmwiki-users] wikiform ptv change

2009-02-19 Thread John Rankin
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:46:10 -0200 From: edwin marte edwin.ma...@leidba.com Subject: [pmwiki-users] wikiform ptv change As far as I can see (understand) Wikiforms works with PTV as definition List [ example-- :PTVname: PTVValue ] . I have a system where instead of using the markup of

Re: [pmwiki-users] Re-thinking Intro to markup pages

2009-02-19 Thread John Rankin
have a lot of content here. Just a sentence or two saying Wiki is not WYSIWYG. Instead, you edit the page and add your content. You can do this by I like the not WYSIWYG hint and added it to BasicEditing. I do too. I have added it to EditingForNewcomers hitting the edit link on the top right of

Re: [pmwiki-users] Sandbox with examples as newbie help?

2009-02-19 Thread Sandy
Oliver Betz wrote: Hello All, in addition to the ongoing discussion about the beginner documentation: What do you think about preloading the sandbox with examples of the basic markup? This way a newbie had a documenting starting point for his first steps. Oliver I like having

Re: [pmwiki-users] Re-thinking Intro to markup pages

2009-02-19 Thread Sandy
Risner, Travis (Dublin) wrote: Original message from John Rankin: [snip] I have another question: should ! for a heading 1 be included? I left it out; Peter added it. There are arguments for and against. What led me to leave it out is that there is no gui button for h1. JR I asked this

Re: [pmwiki-users] Sandbox with examples as newbie help?

2009-02-19 Thread Sandy
Sandy wrote: Oliver Betz wrote: Hello All, in addition to the ongoing discussion about the beginner documentation: What do you think about preloading the sandbox with examples of the basic markup? This way a newbie had a documenting starting point for his first steps. Oliver I like

Re: [pmwiki-users] Re-thinking Intro to markup pages

2009-02-19 Thread Sandy
john.ran...@affinity.co.nz wrote: I really haven't understood why using the (:markup:) markup is so terrible. Maybe I'm strange, but when I was first using PmWiki and reading the documentation, I was reading the documentation, not looking at the documentation source. It didn't even occur to

Re: [pmwiki-users] Re-thinking Intro to markup pages

2009-02-19 Thread John Rankin
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:57:42 -0500 From: Sandy sa...@onebit.ca Subject: Re: [pmwiki-users] Re-thinking Intro to markup pages I really haven't understood why using the (:markup:) markup is so terrible. Maybe I'm strange, but when I was first using PmWiki and reading the documentation, I was

Re: [pmwiki-users] Re-thinking Intro to markup pages

2009-02-19 Thread DaveG
John Rankin wrote: If people support this proposal, I will make a page for comment. However, I will not do anything while a number of people are expressing a strong preference for using directives on EditingForNewcomers. I tend towards thinking that we should use (:markup:) on the Newcomers