Re: Confusion about DANE

2015-08-27 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:46:29PM -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: > Maybe 0 and 1 for Certificate Usage field should be deprecated in DANE > altogether, especially if there ever are plans to move away from Certificate > Authorities in the future. First win the user base, then win the standards war.

Re: Confusion about DANE

2015-08-27 Thread Alice Wonder
On 08/26/2015 09:52 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:43:39PM -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: Furthermore, support for 1->3 mappings might lead users to erroneously expect 0->2 mappings, but the latter are in fact problematic. So supporting neither of the potential mappings is

Re: Confusion about DANE

2015-08-26 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:43:39PM -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: > >Furthermore, support for 1->3 mappings might lead users to erroneously > >expect 0->2 mappings, but the latter are in fact problematic. So > >supporting neither of the potential mappings is simpler and cleaner. > > Okay, thank you.

Re: Confusion about DANE

2015-08-26 Thread Alice Wonder
On 08/26/2015 09:03 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: Postfix implements a PKIX-EE(1) to DANE-EE(3) mapping that is ad-hoc and not standardized by any IETF document. That mapping has been mostly harmless, but should perhaps be withdrawn in a future release. The mapping predates the finalization of

Re: Confusion about DANE

2015-08-26 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 07:32:58PM -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: > LSA record was not usable, I have been confused, because that conformed to > the DANE / TLSA RFC. The DANE TLSA RFC has a pending update in the form of draft-ietf-dane-ops which is sitting in the RFC editor queue for imminent publica

Re: Confusion about DANE

2015-08-26 Thread Alice Wonder
Nevermind further down the README reads Support for certificate usage "1" is an experiment, it may be withdrawn in the future. Server operators SHOULD NOT publish TLSA records with usage "1". So one part of the README says that 1 is treated as 3 and another part says that may be withdrawn i

Confusion about DANE

2015-08-26 Thread Alice Wonder
Ever since I got that automated e-mail telling me my 1 0 1 hash LSA record was not usable, I have been confused, because that conformed to the DANE / TLSA RFC. I suggested that maybe SMTP servers, which are only doing hostname validation and can't be expected to CA validate, should treat a 1