powermail-discuss Digest #2903 - Friday, November 21, 2008
test?
by "Dave N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Ben Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Bill Schjelderup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Karsten Liere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Ben Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Derry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Derry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Derry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): PM 6 beta (4574)
by "George Henne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
by "PowerMail Engineering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: test?
From: "Dave N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:29:14 -0800
Just checking to see if the list is working. I haven't seen any new
emails since 11/5/08, and this seems especially odd since there is also
n new PowerMail version 6.
DN
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Subject: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Ben Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:26 -0800
Congrats on the beta!
I downloaded it and bought my upgrade this afternoon.
After some initial use, here are some of my observations:
- after every mail check PM is now bouncing the dock icon, regardless of
whether there was actually any new mail.
- sleeping the computer in one location (wireless network) then awaking
in another causes PM to hang (stack trace on request).
- HTML messages displayed in the preview pane are still missing the
headers (to, from, date, etc.) This is persistent from 5.x.
- in the attachment list a message window, the selection colour persists
(is not drawn correctly) when selecting adjacent members in the list
when "Finder-like lists" is not enabled.
- in the main message list, the text becomes illegible for selected
items when any label is applied. The list seems intelligent enough to
invert the unlabeled black text to white, but for any other colour.
- I like the appearance of the Finder-like display's alternating row
backgrounds but prefer the performance and text-selection behaviour of
the original PM scheme. Any chance we could get the best of both worlds?
- Subjectively, the app feels slightly more sluggish than 5.x, but
perhaps I am imagining it.
- I guess nothing has been done about revamping IMAP support, so I'll
keep using Apple Mail for that.
- QuickLook support for attachments is welcome (and is probably the only
new feature I've found so far that I'll appreciate on a regular basis).
Now, wouldn't it be slick if the preview windows slid up into and out of
view similar to the Finder and Apple Mail...)
Lookin forward to the next build!
b
--
Ben Kennedy (chief magician)
zygoat creative technical services
http://www.zygoat.ca
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Subject: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Bill Schjelderup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:02:47 -0700
Thanks for the PM update!
I've downloaded it, purchased the upgrade, and just for fun, ordered
FoxTrot Pro to see how I like it.
Got my FoxTrot Pro serial number, but not Powermail v6 serial number.
Previous Betas have been good enough for "real" use, I'm hoping this is
the same as that's what I'm doing.
So far...
1. Missing Drag select of messages. Like Select All keyboard option, but
miss the Drag Selection.
2. I like the new look.
3. I like that everything seems to work at least as well as v5.
4. Like the "Updated at" option.
5. I don't understand why you can't show the simple header with HTML
email. I get a LOT more html email than I have in the past, and it's
very irritating to have to select simpler header, and lost HTML
formatting just to see how it was addressed.
6. Runs well on my 8 Core Machine.
7. No email to tech support option? Or does that turn on only with my
serial number.
8. Thanks to Ben for the tip on quicklook support for attachments. cool.
9. Feature list for me doesn't feel like a v6, more like 5.6 - but will
hold judgement until I've gotten more experience with what's here, and
what will come before release.
10. No crashes yet, hopefully more stable for me than v5
11. Didn't test it with Safari preview of v4, with Powermail v5 that
made it much more unstable on my machine.
Happy to get the update, thanks!
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Bill Schjelderup -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Karsten Liere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:04:27 +0100
Hi there,
I'd like to second and comment on couple of points made by Ben and Bill.
Especially these ;-):
This is really distracting and made me check PM couple of times just
finding no new email:
>- after every mail check PM is now bouncing the dock icon, regardless
of whether there was actually any new mail.
Works fine on my machine though - no problem here:
>- sleeping the computer in one location (wireless network) then awaking
in another causes PM to hang (stack trace on request).
I actually switched it of again. I found it too irregular for my
eyes ;-). Maybe, I would have liked it, if it'd been really like finder
windows, with the side pane as in iTunes etc.
>- I like the appearance of the Finder-like display's alternating row
backgrounds but prefer the performance and text-selection behaviour of
the original PM scheme. Any chance we could get the best of both worlds?
Yes indeed :-)
>-Feature list for me doesn't feel like a v6, more like 5.6 - but will
hold judgement until I've gotten more experience with what's here, and
what will come before release.
Cheers,
Karsten
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Subject: Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Ben Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:13:24 -0800
Karsten Liere wrote at 10:04 AM (+0100) on 11/21/08:
>Works fine on my machine though - no problem here:
>>- sleeping the computer in one location (wireless network) then awaking
>>in another causes PM to hang (stack trace on request).
Yeah, I might have to rescind this; I moved locations again later in the
evening, and had no such hang/crash. However, PM did give the usual
"connection error" messages immediately, rather than wait until I was re-
established on the new network (I thought that was supposedly fixed).
-ben
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Subject: Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:41:44 +0900
Hello,
I've just taken a short look on the new version.
I can't run pm5 in the same time as v6.
I miss a settings for sorting according threads.
I receive most mails from different lists and sorting by thread is for
me the most missing feature in pm5 and styled text the last thing I
really miss.
Will there be a separate beta list for testing and other stuff, like
localizing?
How's about imap? did anybody already test this a bit more?
all the best
Matthias
Am/On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:02:47 -0700 schrieb/wrote Bill Schjelderup:
>Thanks for the PM update!
>
>I've downloaded it, purchased the upgrade, and just for fun, ordered
>FoxTrot Pro to see how I like it.
>
>Got my FoxTrot Pro serial number, but not Powermail v6 serial number.
>
>Previous Betas have been good enough for "real" use, I'm hoping this is
>the same as that's what I'm doing.
>
>So far...
>
>1. Missing Drag select of messages. Like Select All keyboard option, but
>miss the Drag Selection.
>
>2. I like the new look.
>
>3. I like that everything seems to work at least as well as v5.
>
>4. Like the "Updated at" option.
>
>5. I don't understand why you can't show the simple header with HTML
>email. I get a LOT more html email than I have in the past, and it's
>very irritating to have to select simpler header, and lost HTML
>formatting just to see how it was addressed.
>
>6. Runs well on my 8 Core Machine.
>
>7. No email to tech support option? Or does that turn on only with my
>serial number.
>
>8. Thanks to Ben for the tip on quicklook support for attachments. cool.
>
>9. Feature list for me doesn't feel like a v6, more like 5.6 - but will
>hold judgement until I've gotten more experience with what's here, and
>what will come before release.
>
>10. No crashes yet, hopefully more stable for me than v5
>
>11. Didn't test it with Safari preview of v4, with Powermail v5 that
>made it much more unstable on my machine.
>
>Happy to get the update, thanks!
>
>+-------------------------------------------+
> Bill Schjelderup -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>+-------------------------------------------+
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:29:54 +0900
Hello,
well, I forgot to mention one thing,
I'm wondering, why the database format was not changed.
A one-file-monolythic database is really not up-to-date together with
technologies like Time Machine.
And the most often asked feature request in the past was to lift the 2GB
limit of the database and not styled text.
just my 0.2 cent ;-)
all the best
Matthias
Am/On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:41:44 +0900 schrieb/wrote Matthias Schmidt:
>Hello,
>
>I've just taken a short look on the new version.
>
>I can't run pm5 in the same time as v6.
>
>I miss a settings for sorting according threads.
>I receive most mails from different lists and sorting by thread is for
>me the most missing feature in pm5 and styled text the last thing I
>really miss.
>
>Will there be a separate beta list for testing and other stuff, like
>localizing?
>
>How's about imap? did anybody already test this a bit more?
>
>all the best
>Matthias
>
>Am/On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:02:47 -0700 schrieb/wrote Bill Schjelderup:
>
>>Thanks for the PM update!
>>
>>I've downloaded it, purchased the upgrade, and just for fun, ordered
>>FoxTrot Pro to see how I like it.
>>
>>Got my FoxTrot Pro serial number, but not Powermail v6 serial number.
>>
>>Previous Betas have been good enough for "real" use, I'm hoping this is
>>the same as that's what I'm doing.
>>
>>So far...
>>
>>1. Missing Drag select of messages. Like Select All keyboard option, but
>>miss the Drag Selection.
>>
>>2. I like the new look.
>>
>>3. I like that everything seems to work at least as well as v5.
>>
>>4. Like the "Updated at" option.
>>
>>5. I don't understand why you can't show the simple header with HTML
>>email. I get a LOT more html email than I have in the past, and it's
>>very irritating to have to select simpler header, and lost HTML
>>formatting just to see how it was addressed.
>>
>>6. Runs well on my 8 Core Machine.
>>
>>7. No email to tech support option? Or does that turn on only with my
>>serial number.
>>
>>8. Thanks to Ben for the tip on quicklook support for attachments. cool.
>>
>>9. Feature list for me doesn't feel like a v6, more like 5.6 - but will
>>hold judgement until I've gotten more experience with what's here, and
>>what will come before release.
>>
>>10. No crashes yet, hopefully more stable for me than v5
>>
>>11. Didn't test it with Safari preview of v4, with Powermail v5 that
>>made it much more unstable on my machine.
>>
>>Happy to get the update, thanks!
>>
>>+-------------------------------------------+
>> Bill Schjelderup -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>+-------------------------------------------+
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:50:19 +0000
Matthias Schmidt (21/11/08, 12:29) said:
>well, I forgot to mention one thing,
>I'm wondering, why the database format was not changed.
>A one-file-monolythic database is really not up-to-date together with
>technologies like Time Machine.
>And the most often asked feature request in the past was to lift the 2GB
>limit of the database and not styled text.
That is a major disappointment to me :(
I currently have to compact the database twice a week to avoid this limit.
Not sure how long I can continue using PowerMail...
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Derry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:17:16 +0000
Jeremy Hughes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:50:19 +0000
>
>That is a major disappointment to me :(
>
>I currently have to compact the database twice a week to avoid this limit.
>
>Not sure how long I can continue using PowerMail...
You might be missing this feature.
Instead of multiplying risks with bigger and bigger databases, PowerMail
works around the 2GB database limit by enabling the archiving and
splitting into several smaller indexable message corpuses.
Not ideal, but seems to work OK in my limited testing so far.
Cheers
--
Derry Thompson
g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming
<http://www.gloderworks.com>
+ 44 (0) 1562 631430 t + 44 (0) 7976 802487 m
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Subject: Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:32:59 +0900
Am/On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:17:16 +0000 schrieb/wrote Derry Thompson:
>Jeremy Hughes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:50:19 +0000
>
>>
>>That is a major disappointment to me :(
>>
>>I currently have to compact the database twice a week to avoid this limit.
>>
>>Not sure how long I can continue using PowerMail...
>
>You might be missing this feature.
No I didn't miss that one, but we could do that before.
What they added is just a "Macro" for doing so automatically.
>
>Instead of multiplying risks with bigger and bigger databases, PowerMail
>works around the 2GB database limit by enabling the archiving and
>splitting into several smaller indexable message corpuses.
I don't see the point. Where is the risk?
Any bigger SQL database is handling gigabytes of data since years.
There is a problem, but no risk.
The problem is called time machine.
all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:43:56 +0000
Derry Thompson (21/11/08, 15:17) said:
>>That is a major disappointment to me :(
>>
>>I currently have to compact the database twice a week to avoid this limit.
>>
>>Not sure how long I can continue using PowerMail...
>
>You might be missing this feature.
>
>Instead of multiplying risks with bigger and bigger databases, PowerMail
>works around the 2GB database limit by enabling the archiving and
>splitting into several smaller indexable message corpuses.
>
>Not ideal, but seems to work OK in my limited testing so far.
I tried that a while back, and it wasn't a good solution.
In any case, I don't want bigger and bigger databases. I want separate
databases for each email folder (like in Apple Mail). It's fine if these
have a 2 GB limit. What isn't fine is a single monolithic database with
a 2 GB limit.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Derry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:44:42 +0000
Matthias Schmidt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 22 Nov 2008
00:32:59 +0900
>No I didn't miss that one, but we could do that before.
Ah, but I wasn't replying to you :).
>What they added is just a "Macro" for doing so automatically.
Yes, I agree, like I said "It's not idea", but it does make the
process somewhat easier.
>>Instead of multiplying risks with bigger and bigger databases, PowerMail
>>works around the 2GB database limit by enabling the archiving and
>>splitting into several smaller indexable message corpuses.
>
>I don't see the point. Where is the risk?
I supposed the see risk in that a bigger file is more complex and
therefore more easily corrupted.
>Any bigger SQL database is handling gigabytes of data since years.
Agreed.
>
>There is a problem, but no risk.
>The problem is called time machine.
Yep, I'd prefer a more elegant solution.
Best.
--
Derry Thompson
g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming
<http://www.gloderworks.com>
+ 44 (0) 1562 631430 t + 44 (0) 7976 802487 m
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Subject: Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Derry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:53:41 +0000
Jeremy Hughes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:43:56 +0000
>I tried that a while back, and it wasn't a good solution.
Ahh. Ok.
>
>In any case, I don't want bigger and bigger databases. I want separate
>databases for each email folder (like in Apple Mail). It's fine if these
>have a 2 GB limit. What isn't fine is a single monolithic database with
>a 2 GB limit.
Yep, agreed.
Cheers
--
Derry Thompson
g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming
<http://www.gloderworks.com>
+ 44 (0) 1562 631430 t + 44 (0) 7976 802487 m
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Subject: Re(2): PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "George Henne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:16:46 -0500
While it's great there is new update (finally!), it really should be a
point release.
I'd love to give PowerMail money for an upgrade. I think it should have
more features in it: A major new release should have features that make
you go wow!.
George Henne
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Subject: Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:45:07 +0900
Am/On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:16:46 -0500 schrieb/wrote George Henne:
>While it's great there is new update (finally!), it really should be a
>point release.
>
>I'd love to give PowerMail money for an upgrade. I think it should have
>more features in it: A major new release should have features that make
>you go wow!.
exactly ....
styled text? who needs this ?
new list design, with alternating background, well nice ;-)
push imap, well that's the future in email technology, an up-to-date
mail client has to be able to deal with this.
and ?
all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
From: "PowerMail Engineering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:27:43 +0100
Ben Kennedy wrote:
>Yeah, I might have to rescind this; I moved locations again later in the
>evening, and had no such hang/crash. However, PM did give the usual
>"connection error" messages immediately, rather than wait until I was re-
>established on the new network (I thought that was supposedly fixed).
If PM was connected when you put it to sleep, you'll get an error
message on wake-up. But if it was not connected, it should wait a bit
before connecting, waiting for airport or whatever to connect.
Jérôme - CTM Engineering
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