Re: [ppig-discuss] psychological effect of software defects

On 17/12/16 10:54 AM, Gail Ollis wrote: It might be helpful if you clarify whether you mean ephemeral flaws (see work by Tamara Lopez) or reported bugs. Personally I can confess to occasions as a developer when there has been a little hint of anti-climax when something i write works first ti

Re: [ppig-discuss] psychological effect of software defects

Write a piece of code that works, first time. WOW GODLIKE POWER WOO WOO! Write a piece of code that fails miserably. why this is hell nor are we out of it That's me, anyway. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PPIG Discuss" group. To unsubscribe from t

Re: [ppig-discuss] Students choose programming language?

On 3/05/16 10:07 AM, Peter Sim wrote: Greetings I'm a secondary/high school teacher. I'm also enrolled in a masters paper on teaching programming. Is anyone aware of any literature concerning students being able to choose the language they use to learn programming? In our particular case

Re: [ppig-discuss] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

On 2/05/16 4:17 PM, Mark Levison wrote: Richard - thank you signalling contempt for anyone us who help their clients simplify their code. I will take the hint and sign off this list. Dear Mark. I did not express contempt for ANYONE AT ALL. Still less did I express contempt, disdain, dista

Re: [ppig-discuss] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

It's clear that Dan Sumption is not interested in collaborating with me on finding structure in files, because he thinks files should never be large enough to *have* internal structure, so this is my last reply to him in this thread. I wondered about just ignoring the message, but maybe someone h

[ppig-discuss] Re: [erlang-questions] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

On 29/04/16 7:47 PM, Vlad Dumitrescu wrote: There are already tools experimenting with such ways of structuring code. For example, Eclipse has Mylyn which can provide a filtered view of the code (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task-focused_interface), hiding aspects that are currently irrel

Re: [ppig-discuss] Re: [erlang-questions] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

On 29/04/16 3:44 AM, Brad Myers wrote: We have found that trying to have any particular visualization that serves lots of needs is rarely successful, and a better strategy is to try to understand and then more directly answer the specific questions that developers have. We discuss this obse

Re: [ppig-discuss] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

On 28/04/16 7:15 PM, Dan Sumption wrote: This is a subject that interests me greatly, and I'm keen to hear people's views on it. My perspective is that of a working software developer (albeit with a background in psychology), not an academic. I have no experience of ML, and have worked only

Re: [ppig-discuss] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

On 29/04/16 11:12 AM, Mark Levison wrote: I'm still a practitioner, to the extent a consultant can be. Visualations need to be derived from the code and not the annotations since I've never met a programmer who voluntary updated their JavaDoc or other annotation. Why are we even talking

Re: [ppig-discuss] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

On 28/04/16 6:15 PM, Gergely Buday wrote: Then I suggest to look at http://mlton.org/MLBasisSyntaxAndSemantics Please. Don't try to teach your grandfather to suck eggs. I've had mlton on my machines since the first release came out. What part of that web page do you think has ANY RELEVANCE

Re: [ppig-discuss] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

On 28/04/16 5:09 PM, Flavius Aspra wrote: Do you have any real-life example where complex stuff do not look like blobs? Literate programs. I'm thinking of the book about LCC, where I never felt lost at all. I'd start with this. Unfortunately, while literate programs help a lot, they

Re: [ppig-discuss] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

On 28/04/16 5:04 PM, Gergely Buday wrote: I am not sure if it matters for you but how about Standard ML modules? Suffice it to say that I've been well aware of ML for a long time and have the latest release of SML/NJ installed on my desktop and laptop machines for a reason, think that SML's s

[ppig-discuss] Rhetorical structure of code: Anyone interested in collaborating?

I've been thinking for some time of writing a paper with the title "Why can't I see the structure?" based on the idea that modules in every programming language I know look like blobs. I'm aware of visual notations like UML, BON, SDL, and what was it, Visual Erlang? But for me, those are just spa

Re: [ppig-discuss] Beginner friendly error messages

On 6/04/16 4:49 pm, Linda McIver wrote: To clarify my data science unit: It will be a basic intro to data analysis and visualisation, with some spreadsheet work and some programming work. I sought (Research beginner understand error message) http://ics.p.lodz.pl/~stolarek/_media/pl:research:st

Re: [ppig-discuss] Beginner friendly error messages

On 6/04/16 12:47 pm, Luke Church wrote: Based on observational studies, I've generally recommended to the Dart team that the verbose errors state: - *What happened* (e.g. File 'stuff, ln 43:' class B doesn't implement method foo) - *Why it is a problem* (e.g. class B

Re: [ppig-discuss] Beginner friendly error messages

That's rather odd. Guido van Rossum, inventor of Python, was if memory serves me correctly, worked for several years on the ABC programming language developed at the CWI by Guerts, Meertens and Pemberton as amongst other things a beginners' language. I gather van Rossum didn't like it, but becau

Re: [ppig-discuss] Aweful quiet?

On 16/06/2015, at 2:01 am, Derek M Jones wrote: > The problem I used to have with fresh undergraduates (fortunately I > rarely have to deal with them these days) is that they have been taught > the wrong set of priorities and it takes time for them to unlearn them. > > I wish that economic issue

Re: [ppig-discuss] Aweful quiet?

Thank you very much for that link! I looked for a paper to go with the slides. This MSc thesis appears to be about the same study: http://herkules.oulu.fi/thesis/nbnfioulu-201504021273.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PPIG Discuss" group. To unsu

Re: [ppig-discuss] Aweful quiet?

On 15/06/2015, at 10:55 pm, Derek M Jones wrote: > Richard, > >> Concerning student subjects in SE experiments: >> people use the subjects they can afford. If you > > Then perhaps research based on these papers should come > with a health warning that the work only exists to increase > the au

Re: [ppig-discuss] Aweful quiet?

On 14/06/2015, at 11:55 pm, Derek M Jones wrote: > Something to wake people from the dead: > > http://shape-of-code.coding-guidelines.com/2015/05/06/computing-academics-destined-to-remain-software-engineering-virgins/ > > http://shape-of-code.coding-guidelines.com/2015/05/30/joke-student-subjec