Re: "Intuitiveness" of programming languages/paradigms

2009-11-30 Thread R Bartlett
- Original Message - From: "R Bartlett" To: "S.A.Fincher" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: "Intuitiveness" of programming languages/paradigms You may be interested to see some of the portfolios generated by "chalk face" academics teaching introductory programmin

Re: claims of bimodal distrubutions and the geek gene

2009-11-30 Thread Anthony Robins
Hi All I tried to reply before but I wasn't a member of the list so apparently it didn't get through. Thanks to Chris Douce for adding me, so this reply should work. On 28/11/2009, at 7:43 AM, Raymond Lister wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Richard O'Keefe wrote: Anthony Robins http://www.

RE: Usability studies in programming language design?

2009-11-30 Thread Steven Clarke
There are some good papers there, thanks for sharing the link. A few years ago I presented a paper at PPIG on some studies we had done on C#: http://www.ppig.org/papers/13th-clarke.pdf. Since then I and my colleagues have done some similar work looking at API usability. For example: http://www.

Re: "Intuitiveness" of programming languages/paradigms

2009-11-30 Thread R Bartlett
Of course I realise there has been a trend in recent years to cram in as larger numbers of young students into university for long courses, and this presents problems. Unfortuantely, the solution in many CS departments appears to have been an intense fear of student failure. So everything is gear

Re: "Intuitiveness" of programming languages/paradigms

2009-11-30 Thread R Bartlett
I don't mean any rhetoric by this, but it sounds like an interesting problem. :-) Yes it is indeed. And I will put my hand up and own up to issuing rhetoric in an academic mailing list! Also, I guess I need to admit that I have a heated view of the matter of the education system, and that I s

RE: "Intuitiveness" of programming languages/paradigms

2009-11-30 Thread Lindsay Marshall
>Well this discussion all boils down to the role of education. THere are two >attitudes You might only know of two, there >1) We'll take your money, but really you shouldn't be on this course - we >would like people who can already program so that we don't have to teach >anything. >or If you k

RE: "Intuitiveness" of programming languages/paradigms

2009-11-30 Thread Lindsay Marshall
>>>The people who don't learn are not motivated and not enthusiastic > >That is an incredibly complacent attitude, pedagogically. I'm not suprised >to hear it, I'm afraid. *sigh* You aren't listening are you? L.