RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
That's exactly what happened to a friend of mine. He racked up about 20k in legal fees then they filed a countersuit and they guy settled for $1200.00. If he would have filed the counter suit at the start he could have saved $20,000 * Impeach B

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Geoff Flight
I had a problem with a client who commenced legal action against me because I WASN'T BEING PAID! (go figure). This went on for months of expensive lawyer-led negotiations until I got fed up and instructed my lawyer to file a counter-suit. I faxed my client at the same time and (no-joke) it took les

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Madigan, > I don't know if you can do it in small claims, but filing a > counter-suit immediately can make some of these cases go away. It hasn't worked so far with our general contractor... Kristyne McDaniel http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog Whether you think you can, or you think you c

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Geoff, > The idea of the 'customer is always right' is ludicrous and obviously > invented by a customer! She wanted to breed the dog, but bought a dog with a pet registration thinking she'd just pay the difference in price later. When she had an 'oops' litter she wanted us to change the registrat

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
I don't know if you can do it in small claims, but filing a counter-suit immediately can make some of these cases go away. * Impeach Blagojevich http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > From: Kr

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Madigan, > Now how can a suit to return a dog 18 months later even be > accepted by a court? Small claims. They don't examine the merits before you get there. Kristyne McDaniel http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog Whether you think you can, or you think you can't you are right. -- Henry

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread John
That's easy - Kalifornication John Harvey -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:38 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers Now how can a su

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
My girlfriend's father was out at an expensive restaurant with his other lawyer friends. One jerk sent 3 bottles of expensive wine back because it was "unacceptable". Obviously he was trying to show off to his friends about what a great wine connoisseur he was. After they paid the bill, the o

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Geoff Flight
The idea of the 'customer is always right' is ludicrous and obviously invented by a customer! -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2008 5:08 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] I h

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
Now how can a suit to return a dog 18 months later even be accepted by a court? * Impeach Blagojevich http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > From: Kristyne McDaniel > Subject: RE: [OT] I hate

RE: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Madigan, > Just email them a copy of the contract to read over again. We actually did that, and they argued that they fell into one of our exceptions. We make an exception in the non-refundable deposit for cases of a death in the immediate family. Their DOG died, and they argued that as a bree

Re: [OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
Just email them a copy of the contract to read over again. Idiots Why can't anyone just follow the rules? My girlfriend teaches piano. She has a 24-hour cancellation policy. If the student cancels 24 hours or more before the lesson, she gives them a make-up, if they don't, there is no mak

[OT] I hate being sworn at by customers

2008-12-29 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
This time is was actually someone that had placed a deposit for one of Steve's puppies, and then they changed their minds. We don't refund deposits, just like most kennels don't. Why? Because it costs money to reserve a puppy for someone and then have to place the puppy again with someone else. All

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Dec 29, 2008, at 10:17 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > >>> The ugly syntax is the big thing. The fact that it is common and >>> even >>> encouraged to embed your logic into your UI is another big turn-off. >> ...and Python encourages a disconnected/tiered approac

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 29, 2008, at 10:17 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: >> The ugly syntax is the big thing. The fact that it is common and >> even >> encouraged to embed your logic into your UI is another big turn-off. > > ...and Python encourages a disconnected/tiered approach? PHP is fo

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Paul McNett wrote: > Ed Leafe wrote: >> On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: >> >>> LOL! What was it about PHP that turned you off to it? >> >> The ugly syntax is the big thing. The fact that it is common and even >> encouraged to embed your logic into your UI is a

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > >> LOL! What was it about PHP that turned you off to it? > > > The ugly syntax is the big thing. The fact that it is common and even > encouraged to embed your logic into your UI is another big turn-off.

Re: [NF] Visual studio 2010

2008-12-29 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Paul McNett wrote: > Well, at least you are honest about your ability! :) > > Paul I'm no pretender! I do software very wellnot hosting! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox O

[OT] PC- vs mac video.

2008-12-29 Thread Stephen Russell
funny one. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread Paul McNett
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > >> LOL! What was it about PHP that turned you off to it? > > > The ugly syntax is the big thing. The fact that it is common and even > encouraged to embed your logic into your UI is another big turn-off.

Re: [NF] Visual studio 2010

2008-12-29 Thread Paul McNett
MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > Paul McNett wrote: >> MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: >>> Allen wrote: I would prefer my data to remain where it is anyway not on some google server somewhere >>> I like having my MySQL databases hosted by the ISP -- they're >>> responsible for the s

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > LOL! What was it about PHP that turned you off to it? The ugly syntax is the big thing. The fact that it is common and even encouraged to embed your logic into your UI is another big turn-off. I think Python spo

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Ed Leafe wrote: > And I learned enough PHP to learn that I > don't want to ever work in PHP again. ;-) LOL! What was it about PHP that turned you off to it? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Ted Roche wrote: > On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: >>I have decided to take the OpenTech message boards offline at the end >> of the year. There simply is not enough traffic to justify the time >> spent maintaining them. Just thought I'd let everyone know in case you >> we

Re: [NF] Visual studio 2010

2008-12-29 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Stephen Russell wrote: > On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 4:21 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC > >> This is exactly the appeal (from my POV) of Dabo -- write it once and >> it'll run (the exact same code) on Windows, Linux, or Mac. Paul/Ed -- >> correct me if I'm wrong, or absolutely chime in to ram this po

Re: [NF] Visual studio 2010

2008-12-29 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Paul McNett wrote: > MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: >> Allen wrote: >>> I would prefer my data to remain where it is anyway not on some google >>> server somewhere >> >> I like having my MySQL databases hosted by the ISP -- they're >> responsible for the servers as well as the patches, backups,

Re: [JOB] VFP 8 dev - New Orleans

2008-12-29 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Ted Roche wrote: > Ah, if I were a younger and rootless man... > > Heck, forget age...if I were just rootless! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this lis

RE: [JOB] VFP 8 dev - New Orleans

2008-12-29 Thread John
Exactly! John Harvey -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jarvis Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:07 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [JOB] VFP 8 dev - New Orleans > -Original Message- > From: profoxtech-boun.

RE: [JOB] VFP 8 dev - New Orleans

2008-12-29 Thread Matt Jarvis
> -Original Message- > From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] > On Behalf Of John > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:59 PM > To: profoxt...@leafe.com > Subject: RE: [JOB] VFP 8 dev - New Orleans > > You know they say, "you're as old as you feel!" With my

RE: [JOB] VFP 8 dev - New Orleans

2008-12-29 Thread John
You know they say, "you're as old as you feel!" With my many broken bones (mostly healed), I'm feeling kinda old! John Harvey -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:23 PM To: profox@leaf

[OT] Palestinians threaten OJ

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024131.php * Impeach Blagojevich http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listi

Re: [NF] Photo frames shipped with malware

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
> wrote: > > Excellent quality control! > > > > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081229-walmart-amazon-bundle-malware-with-holiday-cheer.html > > > > > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___

Re: [NF] Photo frames shipped with malware

2008-12-29 Thread Paul Hill
) and McAffe (a different server) without finding anything. YMMV... On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > Excellent quality control! > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081229-walmart-amazon-bundle-malware-with-holiday-cheer.html > > > > [excessive

[NF] Photo frames shipped with malware

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
Excellent quality control! http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081229-walmart-amazon-bundle-malware-with-holiday-cheer.html ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version

[NF] 8 Megapixel camera phone from Samsung

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
This might actually be worth getting. http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/smartphones/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212700101&subSection=News ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/list

RE: [OT] HP may be selling printers to Iran

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
What an ignorant thing to say. * Impeach Blagojevich http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > From: Kristyne McDaniel > Subject: RE: [OT] HP may be selling printers to Iran > To: "'ProFox Email

RE: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Rick Schummer
>> I can pick up a certified refurb Dell Lattitude D630: 2 Gb RAM, Core Duo >> 2.16, 14.1", 60 Gb SATA HDD for $729<< Don't skimp in the RAM (regular or video) with Vista. RAM is relatively cheap and useful for any of the repurposed uses you have. I find dedicated video RAM is best. Same goes

RE: [OT] HP may be selling printers to Iran

2008-12-29 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
So what? Iran can't have printers now? What's next? Blowing up baby formula factories? Kristyne McDaniel http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog Whether you think you can, or you think you can't you are right. -- Henry Ford ___ Post Messages to: P

RE: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Tracy Pearson
I have been using Vista with Areo as my development machine for 2 years (less 2 weeks). My initial problems were network issues. A few tweaks that SP 1 reportedly fixed, and Trend Micro A/V gave me smooth networking. I was given the directive to find problems, share the information with our technic

Re: [JOB] VFP 8 dev - New Orleans

2008-12-29 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:17 PM, William Sanders / EFG wrote: > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/sof/973292518.html > > 6 month project > Laissez bon temp roulez, eh? Ah, if I were a younger and rootless man... -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com _

Re: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > I just put Vista on a Dell laptop that I got from a client instead of > $$. Not a great machine, cira 2006 with 1 gig of ram. > > Runs vista fine as well as office and FF for web stuff for my wife. > > I am sure it will allow VFP 7 no pro

Re: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gil Hale wrote: > This would be a great time to look into the M$ Empower ISV program, where > you can get full MSDN for a year for under $400 (used to be about that much, Yeah, yeah, been there, done that, torn the T-shirt to shreds by now. I was one of the origin

[OT] HP may be selling printers to Iran

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
http://www.physorg.com/news149783763.html * Impeach Blagojevich http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/

RE: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Gil Hale
> The drawback of running Vista in a Virtual PC is you won't see the UI > problems associated with Areo. A 256MB Video card is sufficient to run > Vista with Areo to see the problems. heh-heh, no wonder it ran so well ... Thanks for the Heads Up. I did, as an aside, also install Vista from MSDN

RE: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Tracy Pearson
The drawback of running Vista in a Virtual PC is you won't see the UI problems associated with Areo. A 256MB Video card is sufficient to run Vista with Areo to see the problems. If Memory serves, Doug Hennig had a blog entry relating to Vista issues. I don't know if he ever covered them all, or h

Re: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Ken Kixmoeller/fh > wrote: >> >> On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Ted Roche wrote: >> >>> 1. Recommendation of a base machine to run Vista on for compatibility >>> testing purposes? >> >> On this, I just picked up a

[JOB] VFP 8 dev - New Orleans

2008-12-29 Thread William Sanders / EFG
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/sof/973292518.html 6 month project -- William Sanders / efGroup ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://lea

Re: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Ken Kixmoeller/fh > wrote: >> >> On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Ted Roche wrote: >> >>> 1. Recommendation of a base machine to run Vista on for >>> compatibility >>> testing purposes? >> >> On this, I just picked up

RE: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Gil Hale
This would be a great time to look into the M$ Empower ISV program, where you can get full MSDN for a year for under $400 (used to be about that much, I do not know the current fee). I did this for a few years running (in a lull this year and next, no need for it yet), and set up the VPC 2007 app

Re: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Ken Kixmoeller/fh wrote: > > On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > >> 1. Recommendation of a base machine to run Vista on for compatibility >> testing purposes? > > On this, I just picked up a refurb. Intel Celeron 440 2GHz processor, > 2GB of DDR2 RAM, a

Re: Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > 1. Recommendation of a base machine to run Vista on for compatibility > testing purposes? On this, I just picked up a refurb. Intel Celeron 440 2GHz processor, 2GB of DDR2 RAM, a 250 GB hard drive for $250. from Overstock.com -- Not great, but

Base Windows Vista recommendations; FoxPro porting issues?

2008-12-29 Thread Ted Roche
Well, one of our customers has decided to update some of their workstations and wants to run Windows Vista. We'll need to obtain a machine to test our vertical-niche FoxPro 7 application on Vista and make the changes necessary to run on that platform. Two questions for our esteemed forum: 1. Reco

RE: [OT] Obama Already Tired of the Job

2008-12-29 Thread Adam Buckland
He's also waiting to be charged over something to do with OJ, he fabricated the moon landings, was responsible for Nam and Korea, had a hand in Pol Pot and is rumoured that his DNA is on Monicas dress along with Clinton, oh yes and he's a grand master in the KKK and has a friend who knows someone w

RE: Any way to edit VCX in a text/code editor?

2008-12-29 Thread Rick Schummer
Several options: 1) SCCText.prg - used to flatten out DBF source to text for source code integration. People are surprised some times to learn this tool can go both ways. Output is not pretty to edit though. wOOdy has a version many people think is better on VFPX. 2) Tom Rettig (RIP) had tools

Re: Any way to edit VCX in a text/code editor?

2008-12-29 Thread Garrett Fitzgerald
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:37, Matt Slay wrote: > I may be dreaming here, but is there a way to export the VCX to a text file, > edit it in a code editor, then push it back into a VCX file? Christof has a program called TwoFox that converts DBF-based files to and from XML to assist with version c

Re: Any way to edit VCX in a text/code editor?

2008-12-29 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
As Allen said, the VCX is a table, so you can use tooter.vcx BUT: it is easy enough to screw it up so: Back it up first Ken ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version

RE: Any way to edit VCX in a text/code editor?

2008-12-29 Thread Allen
Could you open the class table and get the code in a memo Allen -Original Message- I may be dreaming here, but is there a way to export the VCX to a text file, edit it in a code editor, then push it back into a VCX file? ___ Post Messages

Any way to edit VCX in a text/code editor?

2008-12-29 Thread Matt Slay
I sometimes like to work with my VCX classes in the class browser, and use the IDE to edit the classes, but sometimes I would like to be able to edit them as text/code files. VFP makes you choose one or the other. I know there is a tool on VFPx that will export a VCX to a working code file, but

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 29, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Ted Roche wrote: > Sounds like a good idea. I've been registered since near the > beginning, but have never felt engaged with the community there. > Thanks for trying, though. You never know what might catch on. Who > would have thought Twitter was a good idea :) ?

Re: OpenTech Message Boards will be Closing

2008-12-29 Thread Ted Roche
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: >I have decided to take the OpenTech message boards offline at the end > of the year. There simply is not enough traffic to justify the time > spent maintaining them. Just thought I'd let everyone know in case you > were planning to suddenly

Re: Visual Studio vs VFP

2008-12-29 Thread Stephen Russell
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Ajoy Khaund wrote: >> Are you binding your data against objects or tables in datasets? Go >> the Object route Drop the whole idea of that dumb cursor concept. >> It is so 1900s. > > Stephen > > Can you just write a few lines on the above. Is it copy data fro

Re: Help with GATHER and AutoInc fields

2008-12-29 Thread Rafael Copquin
Even though it is Monday morning! Take care Rafael - Original Message - From: "Ajoy Khaund" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Help with GATHER and AutoInc fields > wow you are quick. I was reading it just now and realized it was a typo. > > Great > > > Ajoy Kha

Re: Help with GATHER and AutoInc fields

2008-12-29 Thread Ajoy Khaund
wow you are quick. I was reading it just now and realized it was a typo. Great Ajoy Khaund Neamati Road Near Bhogdoi Bridge Jorhat 785001-21 Assam, India Tel: 91-376-2351288 Cell: 91-94350-92287 Mail: akha...@hotmail.com Mail: akha...@gmail.com "Walking on water and developing software from a

Fw: Help with GATHER and AutoInc fields

2008-12-29 Thread Rafael Copquin
Sorry I made a gross mistake: the line should be scatter name, not gather name, when you create the object scatter name oCustomers memo blank (two much champagne during the Christmas celebrations) Rafael Copquin - Original Message - From: "Rafael Copquin" To: Sent: Monday, December

Re: Help with GATHER and AutoInc fields

2008-12-29 Thread Rafael Copquin
The problem you are facing is that VFP does not let you replace an autoinc field because it is readonly. There are two ways to do a gather, in the scenario you are posting here: a) check the VFP help for set autoincerror ( I do not use it at all) b) use gather name The customers table has an a

RE: [OT] Obama Already Tired of the Job

2008-12-29 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Madigan, > He hasn't taken office yet, and he still may not when either > his birth certificate is ruled on or he's indicted in the > Blagojevich scandal. Why do you waste your mental energy on such lunacy? Those court cases and the Blago crap won't have any effect at all on who takes office Ja

Re: [OT] Obama Already Tired of the Job

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Madigan
He hasn't taken office yet, and he still may not when either his birth certificate is ruled on or he's indicted in the Blagojevich scandal. > > You Yanks are so funny. He's signed for president, let > him DO > presidential stuff before you take judgement. Let Madonna > take care of > the media

Re: [OT] Obama Already Tired of the Job

2008-12-29 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Bob Calco escribió: > Kristyne: > > && Bob, > && > && There are some things that you can't really mentally prepare for, even > && when > && you've been told about it over and over again over a period of years. > && It has > && to be strange for a president to suddenly have people bugging him in >

RE: [OT] Obama Already Tired of the Job

2008-12-29 Thread Geoff Flight
What? You want to actually wait until he makes a decision before making a final judgment? He's already been blamed for the financial meltdown and other ills! Why wait... criticize now! Don't let facts get in the way of your complaints!!! -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [m