On Oct 6, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Paul Hemans wrote:
> Being open source guarantees that it can be forked and that we don't end up
> in the dead end that VFP became. But there are other options for strongly
> typed JS available. It is just that being associated with MS means that it
> has stronger supp
On Oct 6, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
> I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked" Foxpro
> developers.
Amen to that, brother!
-- Ed Leafe
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Subject: Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.
"I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked" F
I CP/M on my Osborne I, thank you very much! :)
I started young hit my first TRS-80 Model 1 when I was eleven.
FYI, I own a C-64, TI-99, Sinclair 1000, Osborne I, IBM PC and a COSMAC
Trainer. I was the kid with his nose pressed against the Radio Shack window
instead of the pet store. :)
Paul
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
> I don't mean to sound stupid, although I'm sure the moniker fits at times,
> but what does a Foxpro "non-MS application" look like?
>
> IOS? Android? Linux? Unix? CP/M? OS/2?
>
CP/M? How old are you? Woah! I haven't pip'ed in 30 years!
Not
"I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked" Foxpro
developers."
Yes, and I definitely will never forgive them for that!
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
> I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked" Foxpro
> developers.
> [Sorry but I c
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked" Foxpro
developers.
[Sorry but I couldn’t resist, it's FRIDAY!]
Paul H. Tarver
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Correction: OS/2 should not have been on my list of "non-MS" operating
systems. :)
Paul H. Tarver
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Tarver
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Being open source guarantees that it can be forked and that we don't end up
in the dead end that VFP became. But there are other options for strongly
typed JS available. It is just that being associated with MS means that it
has stronger support, whereas other open source projects can simply dry up
I don't mean to sound stupid, although I'm sure the moniker fits at times,
but what does a Foxpro "non-MS application" look like?
IOS? Android? Linux? Unix? CP/M? OS/2?
Paul H. Tarver
Email: p...@tpcqpc.com
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From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On B
Whoops! My mouse cut half the message as I hit Send:
Not Fox, though Fox makes perfectly good HTML so it could have been:
A client uses a web application of mine to run a set of HTML reports.
Right-clicking on the resulting table gives her an "Export to Excel"
option that pops the
table up in Ex
Not Fox, though Fox makes perfectly good HTML so it could have been:
A clien set of HTML reports she runs in one of my applications.
"Export to Excel" t calls me up and complains the
right-mouse-click-menu option "Export to Excel" doesn't work any more
on awas an IE feature when you examined an HT
developed and promoted by Microsoft, and widely considered as part of
the MS ecosystem even if it's technically open source.
perceptions weigh more than facts, I can testify.
Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
http://foxincloud.com/
Le 06/10/2017 à 16:55, A
< To me the value is not so much in VFP, but in the intelligence accumulated
(capitalized) into the software along the years, what finance people call
'intangible'.>
+1
Paul H. Tarver
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, at 03:14 PM, Thierry Nivelet wrote:
> Typescript is Microsoft;
It's also open source, and only one of a range of similar tools.
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I remember when Jim passed away. Maybe the new writer is paying homage with
a pen name.
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
> Jim had a son, Graham, and passed away in 2002:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/11/business/jim-seymour-60-
> chronicler-of-personal-computers-rise.html
>
>
Typescript is Microsoft;
Microsoft used to impose *de facto standards* in the 90's, no more
chance any time soon.
Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
http://foxincloud.com/
Le 06/10/2017 à 16:03, Alan Bourke a écrit :
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, at 12:08 AM, Paul
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, at 12:08 AM, Paul Hemans wrote:
> I think everyone should be aware that Anders Hejlsberg (Turbo Pascal,
> Delphi and C#) is now on Typescript. This speaks volumes.
It's certainly welcome that things like TypeScript are gaining
widespread acceptance and providing a way to impose
You need HTML CSS and JS to get something workable
Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
http://foxincloud.com/
Le 06/10/2017 à 14:52, Eric Selje a écrit :
Ok, I haven't had my coffee yet. It moves the forms to HTML, not
Javascript. My bad.
Eric
On Fri, Oct 6
Jim had a son, Graham, and passed away in 2002:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/11/business/jim-seymour-60-chronicler-of-personal-computers-rise.html
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Eric Selje wrote:
> Speaking of PC Magazine (which I read religiously and actually kept from
> 1985-1991 and looked
Speaking of PC Magazine (which I read religiously and actually kept from
1985-1991 and looked awesome on the shelf w/ all the white spines), I see
they have a writer named Jennifer Seymour. I looked to see if she's the
daughter of writer Jim Seymour, but couldn't find anything confirming that.
On
Ok, I haven't had my coffee yet. It moves the forms to HTML, not
Javascript. My bad.
Eric
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Eric Selje wrote:
> /Transpile to .js/
>
> Rich Hassler modified Feltman's F1's code generator to create JavaScript
> forms, and it works surprisingly well (though not perfe
/Transpile to .js/
Rich Hassler modified Feltman's F1's code generator to create JavaScript
forms, and it works surprisingly well (though not perfect). Of course
that's only the UI but if everything is separated you can keep the back end
on Fox and make web calls.
I'm trying to persuade him to co
I'm convinced that although Vista had serious issues, the perception that Vista
was terrible was made worse because of the major changes to the UI. Nobody
likes change and inertia being what it is, our nature is to resist any attempt
to make us change.
And yes I am including myself in that ass
I have seen a few potential projects that the replacement had to be
identical to the former product, only on a new platform. Instead of making
an app that fit the platform first and doing what is needed as well.
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, at 10:42 P
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, at 10:42 PM, Darren wrote:
> I know of a bank that spent upwards of 30M trying to port a VFP app, that
> had been developed over 15+ years with a group of developers, to .NET -
> all got dumped. 30M+ wasted
None of these are a necessarily a .NET problem though, you can point t
Thierry, I think you are onto something, though my perspective is not so
much on the interface but rather the business rules. That is where I see
the intangibles. Foxers have accumulated a library of business domain
knowledge and some are now retiring. All that knowledge is going to be lost.
What i
I advocate that JavaScript will be tomorrow's big thing since 2005…
A transpiler would have a very hard time understanding language-specific
concepts like SET, cursors, etc. and translate them into a different
language; it could obviously cope with expressions and functions, and
some commands,
To me the value is not so much in VFP, but in the intelligence
accumulated (capitalized) into the software along the years, what
finance people call 'intangible'. That's where the value really is, as
we've written this back in 2010 (http://foxincloud.com/why.php).
Balmer betting on a 'savior'
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