Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Stephen Russell wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 31 March 2008 17:16, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 01:10 PM 3/28/2008 -0300, Helio W. wrote: He doesn't indicate other sources, documents, etc. He just mention Jesus, respectfully like any

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 21:08, Stephen Russell wrote: It was not easy to write in those days prior to Leland's $8 spell checker. I think the then current existence of four active authors (they were not collected into the New Testament until much later) would be a disincentive for other

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 21:06, Ed Leafe wrote: On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Jesus was with them for a month + after his death till Pentecost. Why wouldn't he return in a couple of weeks? After being in Heaven, why would he return to a bunch of smelly desert

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread richmondeagle
Ed wrote: OK, let's see if I understand this right. There's a revolution against the Tsar in Russia, and the events of that revolution are recorded. A few years later, as the result of internal political infighting, some of the records are changed to eliminate the participation of some

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 1, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: I thought that there were a few versions of the Gospels we know of today as well as other Gospels that were discounted and not considered part of the official set of

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Nicholas Geti
The old missing spell checker routine; profain? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth? To the profain, everything is profain. It's that thing about seeing things through our

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: When you have slight variations of the same story, or the order is different between one group and another these are what was set straight. The catechism defines most of this as being the only rule book out there . Ah, but we

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread richmondeagle
The old missing spell checker routine; profain? Hey... I got that $8 spell checker for half price at Costco. -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html message/rfc822 ---

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread David Crooks
On Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:09 AM Pete Theisen wrote: Stream of conciseness, that is interesting. But the individual spirit or spirit stuff was the distinction I was looking for. Can you conceive of God being one of the individual spirits? No. God is the stream. People have different meanings

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: When you have slight variations of the same story, or the order is different between one group and another these are what was set straight. The catechism defines most of

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 2, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: First explanation: When you have slight variations of the same story, or the order is different between one group and another these are what was set straight. The catechism defines most of this as being the only rule book out

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: First explanation: When you have slight variations of the same story, or the order is different between one group and another these are what was set straight. The

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 2, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: That doesn't change the setting the consistent version. You are talking about an oral society. Then please stop talking about proof or anything even remotely resembling proof. This is nothing more than the game of Operator

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
First, let me say I'm a believer; baptized a Presbyterian in Baird, Texas about the age of 14, but I'm currently a member of a Methodist Church in Abilene, Texas. I found God through faith in the Bible, faith in my Brother and Sisters in Christ, faith in the works and miracles of other

FW: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Eurico Chagas Filho
If god manifest himself on earth and became more personally involved in his works, then all people would believe and know that God is God, and there would be no need for doubt, acceptance of God by faith, or need to complete God's works through other people. I deserve that, I am sure God

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: That doesn't change the setting the consistent version. You are talking about an oral society. Then please stop talking about proof or anything even remotely

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread richmondeagle
Ed wrote: It's fine that you and others have your own beliefs. The only objection that I and others have is when you try to insist that others accept these beliefs as historical facts. You don't have to accept anything, but you do have to accept the consequences. If you were truly as

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 2, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Do you agree with the fact that scrolls are not as permanent a form of documentation that would easily endure for thousands of years? If that was the primary method of documentation why do you keep expecting it to have lasted? Are

Re: FW: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: If god manifest himself on earth and became more personally involved in his works, then all people would believe and know that God is God, and there would be no need for doubt, acceptance of God by faith, or need to complete God's works through other people.

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on and on we go. To Discuss religion is an exercise in futility. A religious war is like children fighting over who has the strongest imaginary friend. A+ jml ___ Post Messages to:

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 2, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: And on and on we go. To Discuss religion is an exercise in futility. A religious war is like children fighting over who has the strongest imaginary friend. I'm not debating beliefs. I'm simply trying to stop the confusion that

RE: FW: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread David Crooks
On Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:41 PM Ed Leafe wrote: I'm not debating beliefs. I'm simply trying to stop the confusion that Stephen and some others have between belief and fact. A belief is just a thought that is thought over and over again. There are many ways to look at facts and in this

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread richmondeagle
Since God is all powerful, it seem like this would be a simple, direct way to solve all doubts, so I'm puzzled why he works anonymously, requiring acceptance through faith, and working through other people, rather than performing his works personally himself, as he is certainly capable of

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Stan Gilbertson
on or you will be taught to fly. -Edward Teller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:42 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth? On Apr 2

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread richmondeagle
Ed wrote: I'm not debating beliefs. I'm simply trying to stop the confusion that Stephen and some others have between belief and fact. The difference is that Ed believes it... like global warming... it's fact. If we believe otherwise, it's belief. -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report --

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ricardo Araoz
David Crooks wrote: On Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:09 AM Pete Theisen wrote: Stream of conciseness, that is interesting. But the individual spirit or spirit stuff was the distinction I was looking for. Can you conceive of God being one of the individual spirits? No. God is the stream.

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Stephen Russell wrote: On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: First explanation: When you have slight variations of the same story, or the order is different between one group and another these are what

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread David Crooks
On Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:55 PM Ricardo Araoz wrote: David, when something is everywhere then it is nowhere. If everybody has special powers then nobody has special powers (because they are no longer special). So what you are really saying is that god does not exist. As it said on a Jethro

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 2, 2008, at 2:31 PM, David Crooks wrote: There are many ways to look at facts and in this case, Ed, you seem to be looking for historical facts where there are few, if any around. The Christian church has controlled (which is what religions do - control you) the facts for over the

Re: FW: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 13:46, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: I'm saying that God could settle all arguments, contentions between different religions, and doubts, as well as stopping all the killing and pain that is going on in his name, by simple manifesting himself in his natural state

Re: FW: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Eurico Chagas Filho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If god manifest himself on earth and became more personally involved in his works, then all people would believe and know that God is God, and there would be no need for doubt, acceptance of God by faith, or

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-02 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Jean Laeremans wrote: On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on and on we go. To Discuss religion is an exercise in futility. A religious war is like children fighting over who has the strongest imaginary friend. That's easy, MY imaginary friend is the

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-01 Thread Pete Theisen
On Monday 31 March 2008 17:16, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 01:10 PM 3/28/2008 -0300, Helio W. wrote: He doesn't indicate other sources, documents, etc. He just mention Jesus, respectfully like any evangelist would do. Probably his citation of Jesus is an interpolation. Josephus was actually a

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-01 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:10 PM 3/28/2008 -0300, Helio W. wrote: He doesn't indicate other sources, documents, etc. He just mention Jesus, respectfully like any evangelist would do. Probably his citation of Jesus is an interpolation.

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-01 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Jesus was with them for a month + after his death till Pentecost. Why wouldn't he return in a couple of weeks? After being in Heaven, why would he return to a bunch of smelly desert guys? Are you saying he's stupid? Why did it

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-01 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 31 March 2008 17:16, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 01:10 PM 3/28/2008 -0300, Helio W. wrote: He doesn't indicate other sources, documents, etc. He just mention Jesus, respectfully like any evangelist would do.

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-01 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: And the dues. Don't forget that collecting the dues from the new membership must have taken up a lot of their time. - Dues, you don't know

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-01 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 1, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: I thought that there were a few versions of the Gospels we know of today as well as other Gospels that were discounted and not considered part of the official set of texts. So the leaders of the church took it upon themselves to set

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-04-01 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 1, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Dues, you don't know the half of it? Acts 5: Sounds like modern-day Iraq. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-31 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
Just back from vacation. I want to weigh in on this: __stephen's original question: Jesus, man or myth? I believe that the answer is Yes. Remember, myth doesn't mean something that is made up. Marion-Webster: a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-31 Thread David Crooks
On Friday, March 28, 2008 7:48 PM Pete Theisen wrote: When the physical experience is over, what happens to the spiritual being? Is it still the same spirit or does it become spirit non- material, losing its individual spiritness? I do not claim to be an expert in Metaphysics, so I am not sure

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-31 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 04:22 PM 3/26/2008 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: What do you want his passport with the stamp from Egypt that his father got when he was an infant? How about some original texts that describe a 33-year-old unmarried rabbi from that

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-31 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 31, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: Actually, it wasn't uncommon to be 33 years old and unmarried. Perhaps rare, but certainly not unique. With a lifespan of about 45 or so, it was nearly unheard of. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-31 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 01:10 PM 3/28/2008 -0300, Helio W. wrote: He doesn't indicate other sources, documents, etc. He just mention Jesus, respectfully like any evangelist would do. Probably his citation of Jesus is an interpolation. Josephus was actually a fairly strong source in regards to historical facts (in

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-31 Thread Ricardo Araoz
David Crooks wrote: On Friday, March 28, 2008 7:48 PM Pete Theisen wrote: When the physical experience is over, what happens to the spiritual being? Is it still the same spirit or does it become spirit non- material, losing its individual spiritness? I do not claim to be an expert in

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-31 Thread richmondeagle
Ed wrote: Actually, it wasn't uncommon to be 33 years old and unmarried. Perhaps rare, but certainly not unique. With a lifespan of about 45 or so, it was nearly unheard of. I guess he was there to hear... or in this case unhear of it. I guess it's OK to deviate from the norm today, but in

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-31 Thread Pete Theisen
On Monday 31 March 2008 14:21, David Crooks wrote: On Friday, March 28, 2008 7:48 PM Pete Theisen wrote: When the physical experience is over, what happens to the spiritual being? Is it still the same spirit or does it become spirit non- material, losing its individual spiritness? I do not

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-30 Thread Michael Oke, II
Oh the irony. ::michael Ricardo Araoz wrote: You missed Ricardoism. It's about a benevolent and humorous god that only hates stupidity. If you are stupid you'll be condemned to spend eternity surrounded by the likes of Mikey boy (talk about punishment).

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-30 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Michael Oke, II wrote: Oh the irony. LOL ::michael Ricardo Araoz wrote: You missed Ricardoism. It's about a benevolent and humorous god that only hates stupidity. If you are stupid you'll be condemned to spend eternity surrounded by the likes of Mikey boy (talk about punishment).

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-29 Thread Helio W.
Maybe Ricardo should have been a christian then. HW On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's about a benevolent and humorous god that only hates stupidity. If you are stupid you'll be condemned to spend eternity surrounded by the likes of Mikey boy (talk about

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-29 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John Harvey wrote: The Japanese obviously aren't divine, because they die. So did Jesus Yes, but He lives. Sorry? He's DEAD. He can not be dead and live, that's plain stupid. Their emperor likewise. So did Mary, Paul and oh so many others. They didn't claim to be divine. The

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-29 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John Harvey wrote: Was that Rickey Ricardoism? JH I don't get english very well. Are you proposing to be my Lucy? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-29 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Helio W. wrote: Maybe Ricardo should have been a christian then. HW On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's about a benevolent and humorous god that only hates stupidity. If you are stupid you'll be condemned to spend eternity surrounded by the likes of Mikey

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-29 Thread richmondeagle
Maybe Ricardo should have been a christian then. Nah... only sharp people figure it out. -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html message/rfc822 ---

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-29 Thread Helio W.
Sharp people like these guys?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of90cKxSeuwfeature=related HW On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Ricardo should have been a christian then. Nah... only sharp people figure it out. -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI
Of Ricardo Araoz Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:45 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth? Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote: Why is Josephus pathetically weak? Explain please. He never worked out? Charles Atlas dixit. [excessive quoting removed by server

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI
snip Surely if you measure by their life, both the Buddha and Confucius both have the numbers to dwarf Jesus. Are you sure? v/r //SIGNED// Stephen S. Wolfe, YA2, DAF 6th MDG Data Services Manager 6th MDG Information System Security Officer Comm (813) 827-9994 DSN 651-9994

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Helio W.
Pretty funny is that all that christians have are biblical sources, usually written decades after Jesus suposedly existed. There should be some historical evidence, from varioius sources, from the time Jesus lived and died. Not lies written by people spreading the faith/myth. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Helio W.
Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth? Weak. Pathetically weak. Anything else? HW On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 4:40 PM, John Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do a google search on Flavius Josephus for one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread richmondeagle
Surely if you measure by their life, both the Buddha and Confucius both have the numbers to dwarf Jesus. Are you sure? I think that 'fact' came from the Hillary Clinton Almanac. -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 28, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/ SGSI wrote: Surely if you measure by their life, both the Buddha and Confucius both have the numbers to dwarf Jesus. Are you sure? It isn't even close. The sheer populations of the respective areas are just about

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 28 March 2008 11:01, Helio W. wrote: Pretty funny is that all that christians have are biblical sources, usually written decades after Jesus suposedly existed. There should be some historical evidence, from varioius sources, from the time Jesus lived and died. Not lies written by

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty funny is that all that christians have are biblical sources, usually written decades after Jesus suposedly existed. There should be some historical evidence, from varioius sources, from the time Jesus lived and died.

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: The Jews in power forbade the telling of the story of Jesus in a way of squelching it. Those that were caught were beaten and told not to continue. If scrolls were found they were destroyed. And you don't see that that pretty

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Helio W.
Very convenient. But then you concur there's absolutely no way to proof Jesus' life was a historical truth. HW On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty funny is that all that

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Helio W. wrote: Very convenient. But then you concur there's absolutely no way to proof Jesus' life was a historical truth. Just as there's no way to prove that Joseph Smith didn't really have golden plates from God! -- Ed Leafe

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 28 March 2008 12:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your religion values faith much more than knowledge, so why can't you just accept that the Jesus story is a matter of faith, and that's all you need? Why the impulse to convince others using so-called proof? Because we don't want to see

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Eurico Chagas Filho
Hi The Japanese think themselves as a divine people. They are very sure that the emperor is a God. The Buddhist think that Buda was an Avatar. Mohamed said that he was the only prophet of his God Allah. The Jews believe that they are the chosen one's of their God Jehovah. The Christians believe

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
I'm a Christian, but I do hold out hope for anyone who believes in God. Even the Agnostics have a chance, in my opinion. I have great fear for Atheists however. My uncle has been an avowed Atheist his whole life and he's getting near the end. I pray for his soul and hope he reconsiders. I

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
And some of them are probably wrong, but are they all wrong? Want to take that chance? Christians believe there will be a conversion of the Jews right before the second coming. I would argue that there will be a conversion of anyone who opens his mind. Will your mind be open or will you go

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread David Crooks
On Friday, March 28, 2008 2:05 PM Michael Madigan wrote: And some of them are probably wrong, but are they all wrong? Want to take that chance? And they are... Christians believe there will be a conversion of the Jews right before the second coming. I would argue that there will be a

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
And that's the crux of your problem. --- David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never felt like I have needed to be saved by anything. YMMV David L. Crooks Kwame Kilpatrick Gear!

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: The Jews in power forbade the telling of the story of Jesus in a way of squelching it. Those that were caught were beaten and told not to continue. If scrolls were

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: I wonder why anyone would present a hoax like this and become a potential martyr? Or was that all false as well? Wrong question. Ask yourself whether a group intent on growing their power base would create such a myth

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Eurico Chagas Filho
Hi Michael You convinced me, I am saved. I embrace your faith, JC is my God from now on and God is a hermaphrodite being who can have a child with no mother, or whatever. But, rest assure that I am going to pray every hour till the day of my demise. God, both of them, will be very pleased and

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Helio W.
You're joking, right? On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- I thought that Jesus had to stretch the minds of everyone so they understood why he was there. He trashed the Jews in some cases and elevated the

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: I wonder why anyone would present a hoax like this and become a potential martyr? Or was that all false as well? Wrong question. Ask yourself whether

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
It really doesn't sound like you're sincere. --- Eurico Chagas Filho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael You convinced me, I am saved. I embrace your faith, JC is my God from now on and God is a hermaphrodite being who can have a child with no mother, or whatever. But, rest assure

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread David Crooks
On Friday, March 28, 2008 2:42 PM Michael Madigan wrote: And that's the crux of your problem. No problem here... I prefer to be a spiritual being following my path than trying to follow any teachings from 2,000 years ago (or more). I believe that I am an eternal being in physical form. David

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
And the Jews don't deny Jesus lived, just that he wasn't the son of God. --- Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: I wonder why anyone would present a hoax like

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread John Harvey
] Jesus, man or myth? On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: I wonder why anyone would present a hoax like this and become a potential martyr? Or was that all false as well? Wrong question

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread John Harvey
Filho Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:39 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth? Hi The Japanese think themselves as a divine people. They are very sure that the emperor is a God. The Buddhist think that Buda was an Avatar. Mohamed said that he was the only prophet of his God

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 28, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: If this is a hoax why would the Muslims agree to the existence of it? Fair enough question. Let's see... at that time there were a significant number of people in the Christian movement, so they did the same thing that the

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 28, 2008, at 2:19 PM, John Harvey wrote: Not to mention the fact that it was such a great hoax that we count our years and days based on Jesus's death. No, based on his birth. That's what happens when you mix religion and government. At the time that the current

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 28 March 2008 14:10, David Crooks wrote: On Friday, March 28, 2008 2:42 PM Michael Madigan wrote: And that's the crux of your problem. No problem here... I prefer to be a spiritual being following my path than trying to follow any teachings from 2,000 years ago (or more). I believe

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 28 March 2008 14:11, Michael Madigan wrote: And the Jews don't deny Jesus lived, just that he wasn't the son of God. Hi Michael! I think it is interesting that the earliest heresies denied not that Jesus was eternally God but that he had ever been human. -- Regards, Pete

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread David Crooks
On Friday, March 28, 2008 5:00 PM Pete Theisen wrote: Do you? Can you conceive of any others who are also like you? Yeah. Of course, there are millions like me. I am like the pope - just a man - flesh and blood... g David L. Crooks ___ Post

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 28 March 2008 14:58, David Crooks wrote: On Friday, March 28, 2008 5:00 PM Pete Theisen wrote: Do you? Can you conceive of any others who are also like you? Yeah. Of course, there are millions like me. I am like the pope - just a man - flesh and blood... g Hi David! You aren't

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread David Crooks
On Friday, March 28, 2008 5:29 PM Pete Theisen wrote: You aren't really trying to duck the eternal in physical form part, are you. What happens to the eternal being after the physical form passes away? It is like a bucket of water poured into the ocean... David L. Crooks

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 28 March 2008 15:24, David Crooks wrote: On Friday, March 28, 2008 5:29 PM Pete Theisen wrote: You aren't really trying to duck the eternal in physical form part, are you. What happens to the eternal being after the physical form passes away? It is like a bucket of water poured

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread David Crooks
On Friday, March 28, 2008 5:58 PM Pete Theisen wrote: Then it isn't really an eternal being, it is a temporary being made of eternal stuff, slightly different. A spiritual being having a physical experience if you want... David L. Crooks ___ Post

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: Hi The Japanese think themselves as a divine people. They are very sure that the emperor is a God. The Buddhist think that Buda was an Avatar. Mohamed said that he was the only prophet of his God Allah. The Jews believe that they are the chosen one's of their God

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 28 March 2008 15:52, David Crooks wrote: On Friday, March 28, 2008 5:58 PM Pete Theisen wrote: Then it isn't really an eternal being, it is a temporary being made of eternal stuff, slightly different. A spiritual being having a physical experience if you want... Hi David! When

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John Harvey wrote: The Japanese obviously aren't divine, because they die. So did Jesus Their emperor likewise. So did Mary, Paul and oh so many others. The Buddhist don't use computers. Neither did Jesus. Mohamed is in the ground. As are all past Christians, Jesus included. The Jews

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ricardo Araoz
David Crooks wrote: On Friday, March 28, 2008 5:00 PM Pete Theisen wrote: Do you? Can you conceive of any others who are also like you? Yeah. Of course, there are millions like me. I am like the pope - just a man - flesh and blood... g I'm better than the pope. At least I don't have

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 28, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: If this is a hoax why would the Muslims agree to the existence of it? Fair enough question. Let's see... at that time there were a significant number of people in

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 28, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: They even site the only woman in the Koran as Mary. I'm sure that they are all in cahoots and your one of the few in the world who are not duped. Oh, OK. The Jesus story is a complete copy of the Mithra story, down to the

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread John Harvey
The Japanese obviously aren't divine, because they die. So did Jesus Yes, but He lives. Their emperor likewise. So did Mary, Paul and oh so many others. They didn't claim to be divine. The Buddhist don't use computers. Neither did Jesus. Didn't need them. Mohamed is in the ground. As

RE: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread John Harvey
Was that Rickey Ricardoism? JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Araoz Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth? Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: Hi The Japanese think themselves

Re: [OT] Jesus, man or myth?

2008-03-28 Thread richmondeagle
It's about a benevolent and humorous god that only hates stupidity. If you are stupid you'll be condemned to spend eternity surrounded by the likes of Mikey boy (talk about punishment). If, under your system, stupidity will get you in trouble, Ricardo... you're in a heap of trouble, boy. --

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