RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-25 Thread Alan Bourke
This is the oT police! Step AWAY from the discussion and put your hands behind your head! -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-25 Thread Michael Madigan
You'll never take me alive, copper. --- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the oT police! Step AWAY from the discussion and put your hands behind your head! -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to:

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-24 Thread Graham Dobson
Michael Madigan wrote: Junk science rules CO2 causes global warming WIFI kills bees What will they think of next? Tropical insects are moving further north. Polar ice is breaking up. Ocean levels are rising. Across America bees are abandoning their hives. $15 billion worth of fruit,

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Madigan
Read carefully CO2 is not the cause of Global Warming, increased solar radiation is. The polar icecaps are disapearing on Mars too, and they don't have nearly the number of SUVs are we do. WIFI is not the reason for bees abandoning their hives --- Graham Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-24 Thread Allen
I see said the blind man Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 24 May 2007 21:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Read carefully CO2 is not the cause of Global Warming

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2007-05-23 Thread Chet Gardiner
Actually I would expect the mammals to go with a whimper not a bang... A million fold increase in RF radiation, mess up a critically important species like bees, causes the destruction of major food supplies, increase in diseases; kabloowie, -- end of large mammals... MB Software Solutions

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-23 Thread Chet Gardiner
with wireless Internet Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Someone said that wifi was pretty bad and I think some schools have banned it. More harmful than mobile phones it said. Allen

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-23 Thread Chet Gardiner
. Jim. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet This sort of reminds me about how, in the days of CRT monitors, how

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-23 Thread Chet Gardiner
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 22 May 2007 12:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet This programme... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6674675.stm

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2007-05-23 Thread Michael Madigan
Junk science rules CO2 causes global warming WIFI kills bees What will they think of next? --- Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I would expect the mammals to go with a whimper not a bang... A million fold increase in RF radiation, mess up a critically important species

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2007-05-23 Thread Chet Gardiner
No one is saying it kills bees. The hypothesis is that all of the stray RF MAY be throwing off their amazing navigation systems. They find flowers and get tell their fellows where they found them... It's not proved but it's surely possible... The FACTS are that bees are dying off and that

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2007-05-23 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet No one is saying it kills bees. The hypothesis is that all of the stray RF MAY be throwing off their amazing navigation systems. They find flowers and get tell their fellows where they found them... It's not proved but it's surely possible

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2007-05-23 Thread Chet Gardiner
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:27 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet No one is saying it kills bees. The hypothesis is that all of the stray RF MAY be throwing off their amazing navigation systems. They find flowers and get tell

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-23 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
] On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:04 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Dingoes Eat Their Babies...:-) Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Fireants... They eat their babies... Virgil Bierschwale http://www.bierschwale.com http

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Allen
Someone said that wifi was pretty bad and I think some schools have banned it. More harmful than mobile phones it said. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: 22 May 2007 03:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

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2007-05-22 Thread Tristan Leask
with wireless Internet Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Someone said that wifi was pretty bad and I think some schools have banned it. More harmful than mobile phones it said. Allen

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2007-05-22 Thread Allen
Where did you get that from ? Another panorama show ? :) Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 22 May 2007 11:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet That Panorama show

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2007-05-22 Thread Tristan Leask
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Posted At: 22 May 2007 11:17 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Where did you get that from ? Another panorama show ? :) Allen

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2007-05-22 Thread Allen
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 22 May 2007 12:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet This programme... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6674675.stm This response says it all

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2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
Allen wrote: there is so much radiation around it cant be that good for us. Why is radiation necessarily bad for you? Radiation from electronics probably has tiny effects. Solar radiation is good for you in moderation, isn't it? ___ Post Messages

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2007-05-22 Thread Paul Newton
Allen wrote: Didn’t they also say there is no link to mobile phones and health. I think its inverse scare mongering myself. What with radio phones, cell phones, wifi, radio and tv, there is so much radiation around it cant be that good for us. Says me with all that and more in the house.

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Tristan Leask
I'm never wrong! And my tinfoil hat tells me this! bg Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Newton Posted At: 22 May 2007 12:00 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Subject: Re: [NF

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Paul Newton
Alan Bourke wrote: Allen wrote: there is so much radiation around it cant be that good for us. Why is radiation necessarily bad for you? Radiation from electronics probably has tiny effects. Solar radiation is good for you in moderation, isn't it? Depends on which part of the

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2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
This sort of reminds me about how, in the days of CRT monitors, how we were all going to die from monitor radiation. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this

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2007-05-22 Thread Paul Newton
Newton Posted At: 22 May 2007 12:00 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet The truth is that nobody really knows how to quantify the risks. You can be paranoid/scaremongering (a la Panorama

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2007-05-22 Thread Allen
I know I died from it. :) Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 22 May 2007 13:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet This sort of reminds me about how, in the days of CRT

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Ray Heilman
On 5/22/07, Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I died from it. :) Allen She turned me into a newt... ...I got better g RayTheOtherRay --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---

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2007-05-22 Thread Michael Hawksworth
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 22 May 2007 11:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet This programme... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6674675.stm This response says

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Hawksworth
I did and came back a Zombie... ask my wife if you want proof! Regards Michael Hawksworth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 22 May 2007 12:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Jim Dettman
and that the world is changing. Jim. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet This sort of reminds me about how, in the days

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
Jim Dettman wrote: Who's to say with 100% certainty that monitors have not caused health problems? Nobody for sure Jim, but it's the usual perception of risk thing and a tiny, tiny risk. Everyone in our office once had those smoked-glass screen covers, yet half of them smoked. The BSE (mad

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/22/wifi_science_bunk/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 22, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: Who's to say with 100% certainty that monitors have not caused health problems? Nobody for sure Jim, but it's the usual perception of risk thing and a tiny, tiny risk. Everyone in our office once had those smoked-glass screen covers, yet

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2007-05-22 Thread Peter Cushing
Ed Leafe wrote: IOW, worrying about these one-in-a-billion possibilities is far, far more damaging than just getting on and enjoying your life. I'll drink to that ;-) Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

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2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Posted At: 22 May 2007 10:25 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Someone said that wifi was pretty bad and I think

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
around it cant be that good for us. Says me with all that and more in the house. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 22 May 2007 12:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Newton Posted At: 22 May 2007 12:00 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

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2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
You get more EMF from hair dryers --- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sort of reminds me about how, in the days of CRT monitors, how we were all going to die from monitor radiation. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet This sort of reminds me about how, in the days of CRT monitors, how we

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet If there's something wrong with wifi, then there's something wrong with cell phones and wireless phones. --- Tristan Leask [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Panorama show was utter crap. A lot of scare mongering

Re: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Madigan
Similar to people who are afraid to buy anything on-line due to the minuscule chance of having their credit card stolen. While medical science has never been able to measure an effect due to all of these supposed dangerous things, the effects of stress and worrying are well-known