Michael,
> Of course I would have stayed there if the marriage had
> worked out, but
> it didn't, and I could support my kids (via the child support) living
> there, so it was out of genuine necessity that I had to leave
> that town.
> I regret not having my kids with me now and pray that s
Michael,
> Then you're doing exactly what you need to be doing...reworking the
> plan. I meant no disrespect, as I'm sure you know.
>
> I'm all for living in your dream house/area, provided you can find
> gainful employment to meet the needs/expenses. When that's not
> possible, you must mov
MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
>> Michael,
>>
>>> Sounds like you should move.
>> The reason I've been reworking my business model is because I don't want to
>> move. I honestly don't want to return to doing contract jobs for hourly pay.
>
> Then you're doing exactly
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> Michael,
>
>> Sounds like you should move.
>
> The reason I've been reworking my business model is because I don't want to
> move. I honestly don't want to return to doing contract jobs for hourly pay.
Then you're doing exactly what you need to be doing...reworking the
Michael,
> Sounds like you should move.
The reason I've been reworking my business model is because I don't want to
move. I honestly don't want to return to doing contract jobs for hourly pay.
I may set up an executive office deal somewhere that I can go one day a week
so I can deal with clients
or step out.
Gil
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oing down that road.
Gil
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>
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> Stephen,
>
>> Run Kristyne, run very fast and far away.
>
> I have a problem with feeling like I'm being "mean" to people... You'd think
> that by now I'd have gotten over that, but so far not so much.
Business is business, and personal is personal. It's not rude whe
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> FWIW, I did go back to my prospective client and tell him the same thing I
> started out with... Which is to recommend that he purchase a Henzenwerke
> book, read the chapters that are applicable, and work with me via
> telecommute if he would like to continue.
>
> You g
htwingmike
--- On Fri, 9/26/08, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: "'ProFox Email List'"
> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 2:40 PM
>
Stephen,
> Run Kristyne, run very fast and far away.
I have a problem with feeling like I'm being "mean" to people... You'd think
that by now I'd have gotten over that, but so far not so much.
I did cancel today's appointment, and none too soon. Steve has been on the
jury list all week, and got
destroyer of Democrats." - Sarah Palin, Sept 4, 2008
Right Wing Mike
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
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> From: Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own t
McDaniel
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:12 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
Everybody,
I had a request from someone that wants 2-4 hours of VFP support in
person
at his office. He's unwilling to work over the internet with me.
I
Madigan,
> That's true, it has kept me out of jail, but I was talking
> about legal unethical behavior, like selling a client new
> hardware or software they don't need, that kind of stuff.
Whether a client needs new hardware or software is a very subjective thing.
Nobody NEEDS a new car, for e
FWIW, I did go back to my prospective client and tell him the same thing I
started out with... Which is to recommend that he purchase a Henzenwerke
book, read the chapters that are applicable, and work with me via
telecommute if he would like to continue.
You guys already know that I work from a 3
] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:57 AM
> >> We all make choices in our lives. I'm sure
> ethical behavior has cost me a ton
> >>of money over the years, b
>> We all make choices in our lives. I'm sure ethical behavior has cost me a
>> ton
>>of money over the years, but that's my own choice.
>The high road is always the better road...especially in the end.
But it has also kept you out of jail, avoided lawsuits and maintained your
reputation. OJ
Michael Madigan wrote:
> It's unethical because these girls have mostly been sexually or emotionally
> abused. I would be OK doing a bikini, lingerie, or classic nudes websire,
> but girls sitting on traffic cones makes me queasy.
>
> Another friend of mine worked for a porno site that featured
The performance would be lackluster. LOL
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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To: "ProFox Email List"
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 8:34 PM
K
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> Good regulatory oversight of the industry would go a long way towards
> helping people behave better and still make a profit.
>
>
Govt. regulated porn? These people can't even balance a budget. I'd
hate to see what porn looked like once it got past committee.
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote:
> Michael Madigan wrote:
>
>> I'm telling you Vince, If I had pro-Obama stuff or pornography, I would
>>
> be making money hand-over-fist. It sucks to be ethical.
>
>> I know this guy who is making $86,000 a month with his on-line porno
>>
So, we come down to some fundamental issues here.
We could go on for a year about basic porn v filth and pot is safer than
alcohol, etc,etc
According to WHO
My rule of thumb is "am I comfortable with this"
This applies to WHO I work for, WHAT am I asked to do, and WHERE do I do it.
The financial
Madigan,
> Certain drugs could be legalized, but certain drugs are just
> too damaging. Crack cocaine and Crystal Meth are two examples.
If pot and coke were legal they'd be cheaper and less harmful. Crack and
crystal would not have the same market if a safer, cheaper alternative was
available.
Wing Mike
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: "'ProFox Email List'"
>
Madigan,
> It's unethical because these girls have mostly been sexually
> or emotionally abused. I would be OK doing a bikini,
> lingerie, or classic nudes websire, but girls sitting on
> traffic cones makes me queasy.
I'm sure that when a woman thinks that's what she needs to make a buck she
el <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: "'ProFox Email List'"
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 5:59 PM
> Michael,
>
> > Is porn unethical if t
Michael,
> Perhaps others like yourself here like TRoche would advise
> you on what works best for them. Plenty of ISVs here to
> lend such advice. For me, I keep the standard rate
> more/less, and offer PERHAPS a discount on larger
> projectsbidding by the project instead of by the hour.
T
Michael,
> Is porn unethical if the models are all of legal age and consent?
A lot of people consider it immoral, but I think there's a lot of question
about whether it is unethical or not. I don't personally feel it is
unethical as long as it is operated within the law and with clear consent
and
Software Solutions General Account <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> From: MB Software Solutions General Account <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: "ProFox Email List"
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 5:52 PM
> Micha
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> My last position was that I would require 20 hours of fees as an initial
> deposit. That doesn't work at all for the 4 hour jobs, though. If I'm going
> to take any more of those at all I need to think up a reasonable policy so I
> don't sweat it.
>
> These types of req
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> Madigan,
>
>> If it's less than 6 years ago, you can still put him into collections.
>
> That one was actually more than 6 years ago. I've managed to not repeat
that
> mistake in quite some time.
>
> Honestly, I just don't like to do short-term support. I don't seem to be
Michael Madigan wrote:
> I'm telling you Vince, If I had pro-Obama stuff or pornography, I would
be making money hand-over-fist. It sucks to be ethical.
>
> I know this guy who is making $86,000 a month with his on-line porno
business. That's net, not gross. That's more a month than I make a
yea
Madigan,
> If it's less than 6 years ago, you can still put him into collections.
That one was actually more than 6 years ago. I've managed to not repeat that
mistake in quite some time.
Honestly, I just don't like to do short-term support. I don't seem to be
able to handle it well. By the time
If it's less than 6 years ago, you can still put him into collections.
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: "'ProFox Email
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
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> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 4:19 PM
> Michael Madigan wrote
> Well, her most popular one is "Left Wing Michelle". :-)
Hahaha
Actually, my most popular site is still the Siberian Husky site. I make very
little on that site in ad revenue, so getting paid links would be nice.
Kristyne McDaniel
http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog
http://www.militarydr
Michael,
> Did he give a reason for stopping the check?
He said that he tried to page me the next day and I didn't call him back. I
didn't use a pager at that time.
Regardless, I couldn't see what that had to do with the 6 hours of time I
spent in his office.
I know I should have taken him to s
Michael Madigan wrote:
> I'd love to see your sites and see what you've done.
>
>
Well, her most popular one is "Left Wing Michelle". :-)
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
> Madigan,
>
> > 1. I agree he sounds like a jerk
>
> I don't know that he's a jerk. He could just think this is a negotiation.
> I'm guessin
I'd love to see your sites and see what you've done.
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: "'ProFox Email List'
"No good deed goes unpunished" Clare Boothe Luce
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: "'ProFox Email List'&q
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> FWIW, the last time I drove out to a little client like this one, I spent 6
> hours on site working with three people looking over my shoulder being
> "trained". At the end, the guy wrote me a business check. Then he stopped
> payment on the check.
>
> I need that kind of
re I am in that respect.
Gil
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:29 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
>
>
>
Gil,
> it could happen again, to any of us. And it would not be
> beneath me to stoop low to generate revenue in an
> environment I would otherwise not have considered
> wrking within if it meant the difference between bread on
> the table and not.
Exactly. I have been working very hard on my we
Madigan,
> 1. I agree he sounds like a jerk
I don't know that he's a jerk. He could just think this is a negotiation.
I'm guessing he's every bit as frustrated as I am that I am not budging on
the price.
> 2. I see no reason why you can't do this over the internet.
I originally tried to just
onsider letting him go elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > Gil
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pete Theisen
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:40 PM
> > > To: [EMA
Gil Hale wrote:
>> If he relents and pays your rate, however, you
>> would have to take the job if you use rate as your reason.
>
> I respectfully beg to differ. I do not feel the money has anything to do
> with the situation any longer. It is his attitude. I hate to suggest
> anyone turn work
Sytze,
> You are a highly respected Foxer. Since when do you have to
> stoop so low.
Point taken. I think these sorts of deals tug on my heartstrings so I try to
give them a break, and then I wind up irritated when the guy on the other
side thinks he's getting gouged no matter what I do with my
I agree with Gil. I took the last work because I was broke and it was the
worst gig I ever had.
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: profox@leafe
h Palin, Sept 4, 2008
Right Wing Mike
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own terms...
> To: "'ProFox Email List
e the regular billing rate I
> would consider letting him go elsewhere.
>
>
> Gil
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pete Theisen
> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:40 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Good girl, good move.
Gil
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> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:11 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> Guy
Guys,
Thanks very much for telling me what I thought you would tell me. I had
already given him a break on the fees and terms because he has a small shop
and I don't have a full work load. I told him to pay 1/2 my hourly rate plus
miles for the commute, and he didn't like the fact that the travel
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> Guys, please tell me that it is wise to refuse to work for this guy. I just
> smell a rat and I don't want to even deal with him. I'm of course refunding
> his deposit.
It is wise. It does smell.
Paul
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Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> Guys, please tell me that it is wise to refuse to work for this guy. I just
> smell a rat and I don't want to even deal with him. I'm of course refunding
> his deposit.
Ok, it is wise to refuse to work for this guy.
But you already know that.
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>
> Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
>
>
> > I got back from a court status meeting, and lo and behold
> there's a PayPal
> > deposit in my accou
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> I got back from a court status meeting, and lo and behold there's a PayPal
> deposit in my account -- but it is for the amount he wanted to pay rather
> than the amount I requested.
>
> Guys, please tell me that it is wise to refuse to work for this guy. I just
> smell
e I do not think I
can meet his needs. Period.
Gil
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> Subject: RE: [NF] Clients naming their own ter
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Everybody,
>
> I had a request from someone that wants 2-4 hours of VFP support in person
> at his office. He's unwilling to work over the internet with me.
>
> I told him that I could do that, but since he is 2 hours a
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> Everybody,
>
> I had a request from someone that wants 2-4 hours of VFP support in person
> at his office. He's unwilling to work over the internet with me.
>
> I told him that I could do that, but since he is 2 hours away, each way, I
> wanted a deposit from him to cover
Everybody,
I had a request from someone that wants 2-4 hours of VFP support in person
at his office. He's unwilling to work over the internet with me.
I told him that I could do that, but since he is 2 hours away, each way, I
wanted a deposit from him to cover the 2 hours of time, the commute tim
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