Re: [Jprogramming] JHS meets MathJax

2012-12-02 Thread Steven Taylor
amusingly, COM lives on: "Under the covers, Windows 8 uses a combination of the decades-old Component Object Model (COM), the ECMA-335 standard for a Common Language Interface (CLI) to define metadata around API calls" http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1853667&seqNum=3 On 27 Nove

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Paul Jackson
I agree. There is a lot more to programming than functions. There is also the ability to access the outside world. As a language for algorithms, I prefer APL. As a tool to access the rest of the world, I prefer VB. There are two forms of VB. The early version provided for exploiting objects.

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Joey K Tuttle
Sorry, my bad - I suffered a brain fart... Thanks for the correction. On 2012/12/02 13:28 , Roger Hui wrote: The tree representation is 5!:4 and it was implemented in v4.0, 1991-11-23 http://www.jsoftware.com/help/release/status.htm#v4.0 Also described in comp.lang.apl on 1991-09-28 (at the tim

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Hui
The tree representation is 5!:4 and it was implemented in v4.0, 1991-11-23 http://www.jsoftware.com/help/release/status.htm#v4.0 Also described in comp.lang.apl on 1991-09-28 (at the time the J Forum did not exist). http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.apl/browse_thread/thread/5f1c1df7bd72fe51

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Joey K Tuttle
> The Tree view is great too (was it really there in 602??) > Yes - From ... j701/addons/docs/help/release/status.htm#v5.1 Changes in Version 5.1, 1992 07 28 ... 5!:5 implemented ... Browsing the release notes, (Rel) on the DoJ menu, is a good history lesson. On 2012/12/01

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Ric Sherlock
The issue becomes - are we writing scripts/libraries to showcase J to beginners or to provide performant utilities for users? The tacit formulation of the same algorithm is twice as fast and 3 times leaner (and I'm sure could be improved). The original version was written to make it similar to the

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Eldon Eller
A language you know is more useful than a language you don't knowregardless of its intrinsic virtues. On 12/2/2012 9:32 AM, Joey K Tuttle wrote: Also, people still have nostalgic memories of BASIC, e.g. http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/books/2012/11/computer_programming_10_print_chr_20

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Joey K Tuttle
Also, people still have nostalgic memories of BASIC, e.g. http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/books/2012/11/computer_programming_10_print_chr_205_5_rnd_1_goto_10_from_mit_press_reviewed.html On 2012/12/02 01:49 , Roger Hui wrote: I don't think that is true, either the long or the short ver

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Don Guinn
BASIC is the programming language that was popularized when personal computing became common. It and the popular programming languages today are all essentially scalar. They handle one element at a time and use loops to handle arrays. APL, J and a few other languages running around today are array

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Ian Clark
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Alex Giannakopoulos wrote: > I am not sure Ian really meant BASIC when he said "people who know BASIC". > Perhaps the gist of what he meant was "people who want to do basic > programming". When I wrote that, I immediately tried qualifying it: "And again for Fortran

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Linda Alvord
The down side of Visual Basic was the cost of the program. It was quite expensive to buy and I didn't. All the things I wrote are still on my laptop and useless. Sadly, many of the things I wrote in early versions of J stopped working in later versions. I keep hoping someday to rescue some of t

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Linda Alvord
After quite a few years teaching J, I taught Basic for a semester (poorly). I struggled to consider teaching the High School course in Advanced Placement Computer Science and could make no sense of it and declined the "opportunity". I did find that several years of teaching Visual Basic at a two

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Hui
I don't think that is true, either the long or the short version. In general, knowing bad programming helps you appreciate good programming when you see it; the people for whom this is not true would have trouble learning good programming regardless. IMO. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:25 AM, R.E. Bo

Re: [Jprogramming] @: and capped fork

2012-12-02 Thread R.E. Boss
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/edsgerdijk201164.html or, as I heard him say much shorter: "Basic ruins your life". R.E. Boss > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com > [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com] Namens Boyko > Bantch