Re: [Jprogramming] J Kernel

2014-09-07 Thread 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
I fixed the link to be to the j only j by example page. Messed up original somehow. In terms of what I liked about the python page was that its start focus was on task patterns (printing things), and sample complete programs. Still, your suggestion would be an excellent both impressive and app

Re: [Jprogramming] J Kernel

2014-09-07 Thread Brian Schott
I was intrigued by Ian's comment about adding a list of coding task examples, but like Henry, was not inspired by the python.org SimplePrograms. My inclination (and perhaps Ian's as well) is much more to think in terms of rosettacode.org tasks. For me, a disappointing aspect of the rosettacode.org

Re: [Jprogramming] J Kernel

2014-09-07 Thread Kyle M. Rudden
I think the efforts to make J more accessible to beginners are excellent. Adding simple programs is also a great idea. One challenge is that people are approaching J from many different backgrounds. Some are interested in exploring mathematical problems; others like me want to use J's array

Re: [Jprogramming] J Kernel

2014-09-07 Thread Raul Miller
Note that the https://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms examples do not actually work. It's not that they are incorrect - it's that they assume various things about the environment which a beginner has to overcome before they can run them. (You need to install python, you need to know how to get

Re: [Jprogramming] J Kernel

2014-09-07 Thread Henry Rich
J By Example is interesting, but I think you should remove the K, which will only be confusing. But it's not for the novice anyway. I like the idea of simple programs. The Python page didn't do much for me; the programs were either too easy or too hard. Perhaps we can do better. The hard

Re: [Jprogramming] J Kernel

2014-09-07 Thread 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
I like the python page, but I also like the J by example link I added to http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Vocabulary/HowNuVoc a couple of weeks ago. - Original Message - From: Ian Clark To: programm...@jsoftware.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [Jprogramming]

Re: [Jprogramming] J Kernel

2014-09-07 Thread Ian Clark
Minimal Beginning J fills an important gap. One I had on my list to fill urgently -- but Devon's got there first, with a surprisingly simple starter set. Good Work, Devon! Initially I was tempted to second-guess Devon by tweaking his list. Soon I was convinced that if somebody could improve upon i