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Henry Rich
On 1/11/2021 5:05 PM, Hauke Rehr wrote:
You don’t want to understand me, right?
I answered to
We are not limited to 9 labels at any level. Ten possibilities are
labeled 11 12 13 14 15 21 22 23 24 25.
Reread and understa
You don’t want to understand me, right?
I answered to
We are not limited to 9 labels at any level. Ten possibilities are
labeled 11 12 13 14 15 21 22 23 24 25.
Reread and understand that your system just doesn’t work
for people who want to get things done.
If I put a tenth entry into collection
Hi Hauke.
You have
3151 s
3152 o
3153 m
3154 e
3155 t
3156 h
3157 i
3158 n
3159 g
3251 s
3252 t
3253 u
3254 f
3255 f
You select
3150: s o m e t h i n g
You want to insert 315, but 315=3150 is already superordinate to 'something'.
Where do you want to place it?
A commercial data base does not
Again: This just doesn’t work.
Say I have 9 Elements at 315
3151 s
3152 o
3153 m
3154 e
3155 t
3156 h
3157 i
3158 n
3159 g
and correspondingly I have some elements at 325
3251 s
3252 t
3253 u
3254 f
3255 f
and say I used to get all of them using query 3050
If I now want to introduce another it
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 19:09, 'Bo Jacoby' via Programming <
programm...@jsoftware.com> wrote:
> Dear friends.
> I sincerely apologize to Hauke for wrongly accusing him for improving
> before understanding. Talking about Aleph triggered me.
> The ordinal fraction file is not merely a tree. To the
Dear friends.
I sincerely apologize to Hauke for wrongly accusing him for improving before
understanding. Talking about Aleph triggered me.
The ordinal fraction file is not merely a tree. To the branch 13500 is attached
a two times two matrix with rows 13510 ADORATUR and 13520 GLORIFICATUR and
le of days is
also a good indicator.
Let's all do something else.
R.E. Boss
-Original Message-
From: Programming On Behalf Of Hauke
Rehr
Sent: zondag 10 januari 2021 12:54
To: programm...@jsoftware.com
Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] J and Spreadsheets
• 9 labels
Yes, the “digit” res
• 9 labels
Yes, the “digit” restriction should be abstracted away when
reasoning about the concept;
When I read the paper, I tended to agree that in practice,
though, digits are easy to deal with, and it doesn’t hurt
introducing another fractional digit without semantics
only in order to have enou
This system supports different kinds of transitive or "edge" concepts.
There's strict sequence (no zeros).
There's also allowance for alternatives (with zeros).
It's also a bit awkward that you're limited to 9 labels at any level,
which implies some shenanigans with large and/or growing data set
That is an equivalent representation which is more user-friendly. You
have explicitly partitioned the nodes of each edge by which base
sets/edges they reside in. I wonder what other interesting
transpositions/partitions might come up by following the hyperedges.
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 14:15, Hauke
Now this is beginning to make much more sense to me.
Regarding base sets, I /meant/ what you wrote, only
confused terminology of significant and significate.
I now understand your first E, but I think the second
one is not an improvement. is not subordinate
to . And I think subordination/containm
To be honest, I don't know why you shouldn't be able to make edges
over more than one vertex of a given base set. The base sets should
also be hyperedges. For the values corresponding to an edge, take the
cartesian product over the corresponding subsets of base edges using
the order defined.
E = <
1 CREDO
11 IN
111 UNUM
11 DEUM
112 PATREM
1121 OMNIPOTENTEM
113 FACTOREM
Set_1 = <>
Set_2 = <>
Set_3 = <, , >
Set_4 = <>
Forall i >= j, a >= b: (Union Set_i)_a >= (Union Set_j)_b
V = DisjointUnion {Set_i}.
The vertices are ordered multisets like , and .
E = <<, >,
<, , >,
<, , >,
Sorry for the many posts from my side, but:
After reading, and re-reading, though, I don’t quite understand.
How could hyperedges touch at most one element of each base set?
I obviously have a wrong picture of what is being referred to
by the term “base sets”.
I thought they correspond to sequence
Hopefully, this will be a characterization
that can be agreed upon so we won’t have to
continue any wild guessing due to lack of
a consistent description.
Thanks for the efforts.
Am 10.01.21 um 07:46 schrieb Justin Paston-Cooper:
> Error: Base sets of nodes, and not base hyperedges. Each hyperedg
Error: Base sets of nodes, and not base hyperedges. Each hyperedge touches
at most one element of each base set.
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 09:35, Justin Paston-Cooper
wrote:
> Can we summarise all of this as:
>
> A representation of hypergraphs ordered in a certain way, with nodes
> represented by
Can we summarise all of this as:
A representation of hypergraphs ordered in a certain way, with nodes
represented by numbers, and tuples of numbers for representing the
hyperedges. Node values are ordered sets of strings.
There is a number of base hyperedges (columns), whose disjoint union gives
I’m feeling misunderstood.
What did I write?
• Do I understand correctly that this algebra of data thing
can essentially be represented as a tree (or wood)?
So I asked if I understood correctly. I wanted to understand.
Not suggest improvement.
I asked if it can essentially be represented as such
The Nicene Creed was hammered out, practically at the sword's point, to
manifest the orthodox credenda. Every line, almost every phrase, takes
a position on a disputed issue of theology. To be orthodox, one had to
affirm it all.
Picking parts of the Creed and willfully omitting others would
Justin wrote: "Quite an interesting paper. What were the reasons for its
rejection?"
Thank you! The referee wrote that he did not consider me serious. He thought I
was joking.
I wrote an article to en.wikipedia.org, but as original research is not allowed
on wikipedia the article was deleted.
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 at 15:59, Hauke Rehr wrote:
>
> My two comments (or, my 2¢):
>
>
> concerning the aleph numbers
>
> is this related to my concern about dependence on order?
> I understand the fractional digits to be meant to encode
> both (semantic) structure and order
> (or else the prayer wou
My two comments (or, my 2¢):
concerning the aleph numbers
is this related to my concern about dependence on order?
I understand the fractional digits to be meant to encode
both (semantic) structure and order
(or else the prayer wouldn’t be the best kind of example).
After all, that’s why they’r
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 at 00:13, 'Bo Jacoby' via Programming <
programm...@jsoftware.com> wrote:
> Answering Justin's questions.
> 01 question
> 02 answer
> 11. The data in your solution seems to be similar to the data in
> relational databases, but the query space seems to be the same.
> Cyclic rela
Answering Justin's questions.
01 question
02 answer
11. The data in your solution seems to be similar to the data in
relational databases, but the query space seems to be the same. Cyclic
relations seem to be ruled out, but this maybe isn't a problem. Am I wrong, and
is either stronger than the
Thanks, Ian,
turns out that implementation, for the matching part,
isn’t too far from what I did.
Funnily, I thought about rewording what you called match as
('0' e. ".@-,,)/ in the left part of “aligned” – sorry for
my bad names, it’s been written down quickly
And then I found that the way I did
…sorry Hauke, that was meant for your eyes only.
Ian
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 12:36, Ian Clark wrote:
> Hauke,
>
> Might this help towards what you're aiming to do?
>
> https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/User:Ian_Clark/credo
>
> Ian
>
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 11:50, Hauke Rehr wrote:
>
>> re-implemen
Hauke,
Might this help towards what you're aiming to do?
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/User:Ian_Clark/credo
Ian
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 11:50, Hauke Rehr wrote:
> re-implementing in another language is often helpful
> I thought lua’s tables should lend themselves to the
> structure we have he
re-implementing in another language is often helpful
I thought lua’s tables should lend themselves to the
structure we have here, so I tried another approach –
and found another quirk:
your solution depends on the order of entry
I had to add lines 50, 106–109 incl., and change
lines 61 and 277 in
"csv/tsv is amoung the best in scalability," ...it's a shame my
illustrious UK government don't know about this...
many moons ago I wrote some code with Dr.Racket to extract 20 year old
BTRIEVE records from a VAX system and migrate it into MS SQL Server. In the
end for various reasons the only fo
Quite an interesting paper. What were the reasons for its rejection?
The mathematics is quite simple and well defined, however it doesn't
go too much into the application aspect.
I don't have the time to actually explore this in depth right now, but:
1. The data in your solution seems to be simi
… and here’s a J implementation (and output)
but I stumbled upon another aspect that didn’t
match the specification as I understood it:
consider the first example 13510:
your solution contains SIMUL which is 13509
so I implemented that whenever either of them
has a 0, they match. I think that’s wr
I jotted down a q&d-implementation in D.
When I found out that your example doesn’t
fit the hierarcical layout (multiple instances
for 11, for example, so 11 isn’t a category
even though there are things like 111),
I ripped out the code depending on the hierarchy.
The results agree with your resul
That post was written too soon.
Now that I’ve taken a look at what ordinal fractions
are meant to be, it looks to me more like what I think
I first came to know when learning some prolog.
I try to write down my new understanding of ordinal fractions,
in a more old-fashioned lingo of enums (concepts
Do I understand correctly that this algebra of data thing
can essentially be represented as a tree (or wood)?
Looks like one could easily represent this using the LEO
editor, maybe even annotating each node and having a top
level script that walks the tree according to the input.
Am 07.01.21 um 22
agreed
Am 07.01.21 um 23:20 schrieb Devon McCormick:
> Flat files are fine for large amounts of data up to maybe a few hundred MB
> if the data is uniform and not too complex, say lots of equity prices.
> Databases are more suitable as the data becomes more complex, say
> information about various
Flat files are fine for large amounts of data up to maybe a few hundred MB
if the data is uniform and not too complex, say lots of equity prices.
Databases are more suitable as the data becomes more complex, say
information about various companies: their financial instruments - bonds
and different
Why only moderate?
csv/tsv is amoung the best in scalability,
way more reliable than spreadsheets
(afaik)
Of course, customized databases can be better.
Am 07.01.21 um 23:07 schrieb Devon McCormick:
> To be clear, I was expressing caution about spreadsheets with embedded
> formulas and code. Keep
To be clear, I was expressing caution about spreadsheets with embedded
formulas and code. Keeping data in flat files, like TSV files, is fine for
moderate amounts of data.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 4:08 PM 'Bo Jacoby' via Programming <
programm...@jsoftware.com> wrote:
> "I am looking for a way to
"I am looking for a way to better organise my research. If not
spreadsheets, do you have some advice on how to coordinate all this
separate data in one place?"
I have used ordinal fractions for structuring data since 1980. ORDINAL
FRACTIONS - the algebra of data
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Thanks. I have been meaning to look at that.
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 23:33, Joe Bogner wrote:
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> Jupyter notebooks may help you with organizing your research -
> https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Guides/Jupyter
>
> This has been my preferred tool - far above Excel.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:39 PM
Jupyter notebooks may help you with organizing your research -
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Guides/Jupyter
This has been my preferred tool - far above Excel.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:39 PM Justin Paston-Cooper
wrote:
> I am open to suggestions. Right now I'm researching a lot of related
> th
I am open to suggestions. Right now I'm researching a lot of related
things concurrently. I'm storing some of the results in TSV files.
Some of the scripts are Python, some are curl | jq | awk. Some of the
results I am storing as variables in J scripts. I am constantly going
back and forth between
It would be remiss of me not to mention that you really ought to
re-consider making a spreadsheet an integral part of your design, not the
least due to the historically high rates of error that have been measured
in spreadsheets - 1 to 5%:
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1602/1602.02601.pdf .
check out 'Libre Office' which is free and from what i see, can run on
Linux. I prefer it to Microsoft Office although I rarely use ther Excel
equivalent.
Don Kelly
On 2021-01-05 7:40 a.m., Justin Paston-Cooper wrote:
Hello,
I don't know much Excel, and I know some J. The dataflow aspect of
Sorry, I have only enountered batch mode requirements using closed Excel files.
ssconvert does have a --recalc option though, so it might work with a file
opened with LibreOffice.
De : Justin Paston-Cooper
À : Programming forum
Sujet : Re: [Jprogramming] J and Spreadsheets
Date : 06/01/2021
cellent terminal for
> multi-system workflows (transparent security for scp, provides cygwin
> scripting on Windows, single tool which greatly simplifies training etc.).
>
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> Philip
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> De : Justin Paston-Cooper
> À : Programming forum
> Sujet : [Jprogramming] J
cumentation is
necessary. I also find MobaXterm provides an excellent terminal for
multi-system workflows (transparent security for scp, provides cygwin scripting
on Windows, single tool which greatly simplifies training etc.).
Philip
De : Justin Paston-Cooper
À : Programming forum
Sujet
It was called ADRS - A Departmental Reporting System
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:34 AM Justin Paston-Cooper
wrote:
> I am not sure what kind of interfaces were available in the old days.
> I have never really used spreadsheets, but for me there would be a
> strict increase in utility in being able
I am not sure what kind of interfaces were available in the old days.
I have never really used spreadsheets, but for me there would be a
strict increase in utility in being able to edit and display data in a
spreadsheet as opposed to keeping track of various variables and
manually figuring out whic
Two alternatives: there's R methods for dealing with OpenOffice, and a J
package for calling R methods. Probably not the experience you're looking
for. There's also a couple of QT demos which have a spreadsheet like
interface if you just want the experience of seeing the data laid out in
graphical
Interfacing excel or openoffice can be done using com interface, but the
technology is windows specific.
openoffice also supports interface to python, but can't be called from J
directly.
Another approach is to parse an excel workbook directly from J and then
write back changes to the file. But t
Hello,
I don't know much Excel, and I know some J. The dataflow aspect of
Excel excites me, and I am averse to GUI programming.
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Articles/JExcel details how to
integrate J with Excel. I don't know how up-to-date this is.
Because I run Linux, it would be difficult fo
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