* Present: + Andras, Caolán, David, Michael, Miklos, Kendy, Stephan, Cloph, Muthu, Eike, Robinson, Michael S, Jacobo, Bjoern, Kohei * Completed Action Items: + provide wiki links for new processes for design interation (Mirek) [if you want a UX topic be discussed, just go to http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design and add it as a topic, it will be discussed at the next meeting (Kendy)] + copy/paste the 4.3 schedule -> 4.5 schedule wiki page (Cloph) [ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.5 distro builders, please check whether it is conflicting with your schedule, labelled preliminary, please check ] + create an Easy-hack for enabling XML validators automatically (Miklos) [ Have a script that easily sets it up: fdo#84600 ] * Pending Action Items: + Ask Bjoern to do a survey on the wrench icons (Kendy) + come back next week with a proposal for Mac / gatekeeper bits (Norbert) * Release Engineering update (Cloph) + 4.2.7 RC2 + next week is the deadline for the final version of 4.2.x + also time for the first alpha release of 4.4 + reviews appreciated for: + some custom wrapper for LibreOffice needs adapting: + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/11700/ AI: + review it (Andras, Caolan, Cloph, Michael) + 4.3.3 RC1 + tagged, built and announced to early-testing & QA lists. + deadline for RC2 is in ~2x weeks. + master + switched master to create only one core package for deb/RPM + just 'core' not core01 -> core07 + thought the reason was that EPM wasn't able to do big pkgs (Caolan) + EPM had a limitation on a certain file-size; but only an issue for a debug build in RPM form (Cloph) + even with the split, you couldn't reasonably build RPMs with debuginfo and EPM - it would fail. + lots more scope for improvement there (Michael) + hard to see what depends on what (Cloph) + Android Remote * Crashtest update (Miklos) + new results: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/24fb87501ef9d5aa715d572de7eb5efe49a0d9c3/ (07-Oct-2014) + nothing super-exciting + xlsx issues seem lower with threading fix. + some new writer redline asserts; but not really crashers + hitting the new assertions. + recent assertion changes hard to nail (Caolan) + PDF ones fell from 15 to 5, and database 7 to nothing + unclear why - is the VM the same etc. ? + Yes (Miklos) + perhaps some intermittency; a big improvement since Miklos started building them. + are the old traces reproducible (Michael) + all the old data is still there (Miklos) + some of the PDF issues were hard to reproduce anyway, some PDF export timeout (?) - a race condition ? + perhaps load on machine dropped ? (Michael) * Hackfests + Seattle 'Libre-Fest' (Robinson) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/Seattle_LibreFest + October 26, 2014 + scope / focus issues are broadened & fixed. AI: + get BZ migration roadmap done for then (Bjoern) + Toulouse Hackfest (Arnaud) + Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th + more details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014 + budget reserved (Eur 2k) - poke Bjoern. + Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek): http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/ + jmux (IRC) can add you if you don't want to create an account + will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming just show up etc. + November 21st-23rd, 2014 https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible * UX Update (Kendy) + had an amusing issue around table toolbar button behavior + a monster thread; encouraged Cor into the design call + cleared the situation up. + no way to measure what is good for users + so hacked up dumping the amount of clicked buttons in toolbars + talking to Samuel - wrt. looking at Mozilla code in this area. + http://blog.mozilla.org/metrics/2011/08/25/do-90-of-people-not-use-ctrlf/ + https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/ + hope to re-use the server side. + as of now - dump it into the user profile & mail it. + connect it to the infobar etc. (?) + getting people on the call was great. + huge thread wouldn't need to be so huge with better communication + 8x people on the call vs. 4x last week + some good things, and Heiko colleague of Bjoern from User-Prompt there too. + #libreoffice-design IRC chat is live now. + is the UI / layout work complete ? (Michael) + ~everything done except for some categories (Caolan) + floating windows have an issue + and some 19 docking windows left. + then; some locations where individual widgets are loaded. + and more of resource file format will be unused => lots of coverity tainting complaints will go away. * Security (Michael) AI: + follow up on issue acquistion (Caolan) * Leaking /tmp files (Cloph) + the 'lu' files are leaked by utl::TempFile (Miklos) + tinderbox has a custom tmp (Norbert) + creating a directory in workdir for tmp + could we do it in the tinderbox script by default ? (Michael) + there is an option to do that already (Norbert) + would still be good not to leak (Miklos) + we leak 1536 files per build (Norbert) + volunteers appreciated; could it be document load unit tests not cleaning up (?) * Calc sorting issue (Kohei) + Filed by Jean-Baptiste Faure topic http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-October/063900.html + Both ways of sorting could be useful + was a pure bug-fix for a reference update issue (Kohei) AI: + back-port the patch to 4.3 - and chop the UI change out (Michael) + it may introduce new bugs, people still complaining vs. master (Kohei) + but no use-case to demonstrate that. + a unit test is there to test both options. JBF's concern: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81633#c40 + Isn't it a nightmare SUM(A1:A6), sort A2:10 ? (Michael) + no - doesn't handle range references (Kohei) + for single references we do do that, and limited case of range references + both sides seem to think they are right (Kohei) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81309 "Sorting should automatically adjust references." + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81633 "Sorting shouldn't always automatically adjust references." + really annoying to go through lots of process to do this (Kohei) + people should be able to wait until 4.4 + bit of a translation nightmare variously (Bjoern / Michael) AI: + review & perhaps turn the new feature off by default in 4.3 (Michael/Eike) AI: + get a clear use-case & description of what doesn't work vs. master (JBF) + there are half-a-dozen dups for this issue (Robinson) + code that enables the old behavior - is also quite risky ? (Eike) + not a trivial change (Kohei) * QA (Robinson) + doing well + dropped the unconfirmed count by 80x or so. + did we decide 10.9.5 code-signing (Norbert) + not confident wrt. risks, happy to leave it this way until 4.4 + fine wrt. waiting until the next release series. AI: + comment & close for 4.4 (Norbert) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84352 + workaround is simple, too much risk etc. * QA stats: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html +152 -185 (-33 overall) many thanks to the top bug squashers: QA Administrators 61 Jean-Baptiste Faure 14 Caolán McNamara 13 tommy27 11 Julien Nabet 9 Samuel Mehrbrodt 7 ign_christian 6 Lionel Elie Mamane 5 Owen Genat 4 Cor Nouws 4 Miklos Vajna 3 Luke 3 Urmas 3 * Open 4.4 MAB + 4/14 3/12 3/12 3/12 7/12 3/8 3/8 4/8 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/1 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.3 MAB + 16/60 17/61 16/60 14/59 15/58 12/54 13/53 14/52 14/50 11/47 14/47 26% 27% 26% 23% 25% 22% 24% 26% 28% 23% 29% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.2 MAB + 82/260 86/257 88/257 89/257 91/257 86/252 82/245 83/244 83/243 31% 33% 35% 34% 35% 34% 33% 34% 34% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 154/410 147/401 143/392 143/389 146/385 142/375 141/374 136/361 + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 488(+13) bugs open of 3099(+21) total * ~Component count net * Writer - 151 (+9) Spreadsheet - 96 (+3) Presentation - 32 (+0) Crashes - 31 (+0) Database - 25 (-1) Libreoffice - 24 (+0) Graphics - 23 (+1) UI - 23 (+0) Drawing - 19 (+3) Borders - 19 (+0) Filters - 18 (+1) Print / PDF - 14 (+0) Chart - 11 (+1) BASIC - 5 (+0) Extensions - 5 (+0) Linguistic - 4 (+0) Installation - 4 (+0) Formula - 4 (+0) framework - 1 (+0) sdk - 0 (+0) Impress Remote - 0 (+0) + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
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