Tahu gak kenapa kok dulu banyak Yahudi yg tinggal di Madinah padahal mereka tadinya bermukim ditanah yg dijanjikan yg lebih subur dari Madinah.Soalnya dlm Kitab mereka dikatakan bahwa nabi baru nanti domisinya di Madinah.La setelah njedul nabinya loh kok Arab mereka girap girap.Ya ada beberapa ekor yg masuk Islam seperti Abdullah bin Salam tapi umumnya kafir.
Tawangalun. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> wrote: > > Menurut catatan sejarah Nabi Junjungan mula2 berhubungan baik sekali dengan > bani2 Yahdi di Yathrib. Beliau banyak belajar dari imam2 Yahudi, al. tentang > puasa, ttg kiblat, tttg shakat. Begitu juga tetang tokoh2 dlm Kitab Taurat - > yg kemudian dijadikan nabi islam. >  > Sayngnya ketika Nabi Junjungan menyatakan bhw beliau adalah nabi bagi semua > suku bangsa (termasuk Yahudi) para imam meminta bukti kenabian beliau. Mnrt > para imam Yudi semua nabi2 di masa lampau selalu dianugerahi kemampuan > melakukan mujizat. Sang Nabi diminta untuk melakukan sevuah mujizat, Sayang > sekali Allah SWT mengatakan bhw ""Mujizat itu hanya ada pada Alllah" Dengan > kata lain Nabi Muihammad itu tidak bisa melakukan mujizat. Para imam yahudi > dan bani2 Yahudi tentu saha mesem2 dan tidak menggubris beliau. >  > 'Nabi'' Muhammad ngambeg besar dan menghalakan perampikan, penyanderaan irang > Yahudi untuk diapakan saja. Maka ketiga bani Yahudi mulai dirongrong, > dirampok, dibunuh dan diusir dari Al Khaleej al Arabiya - tanpa harta mereka. >  > Mengenai perjanjian yg katanya dilanmggar oleh umat Yahudi - mari kita > bayangkan dan pikirkan secara wahar. Ketiga umat Yahuid sudah beratus tahun > bermukim di Yathrib. Mereka adalah peternak, petani dan pedangan - mereka > bykan kekuatan militer. Seusdah di-intimidasi sedemikian rupa mereka > ''setuju'' menanda-tangani perjanjian (tentunya yg menguntungkan yg punya > kekuasaan dan tibuan Ansar yg menunggu bagian dri rampasan perang) Ini > keliatannya sama dengan (kalau ada) perjanjian antara umat non-Muslim yg > jumlah sedikti dengan FPI dan kelompok2 preman Islam. Apakah mungkin > perjanjian sedemeikian adil? >  > Ingatlah: Sejarah termasuk dongeng tentng perjanjian itu ditulis oleh yg > MENANG. >  > Gabriella > > > ________________________________ > From: emabdalah <emabdalah@...> > To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2012 9:14 PM > Subject: [proletar] Debat Ali Sina dan Ayatullah Montazer > >  > Ini adalah lampiran debat antara orang yang mengaku bernama Ali Sina dan > Ayatullah Montazeri dan saya sebagai "modertornya". Debatnya seputar, biasa, > tentang Islam, Muhammad, Muslim dll. Kali ini topiknya adalah tentang The > Genocide of The Jews. Pembantaian orang Yahudi. Artikelnya masih asli dalam > bhs Inggris, kalau mau tahu artinya coba di Gogle Translate.  > The Genocide of The > Jews  > http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/montazeri4.htm > > ________________________________ > > Question No. 4 > The Prophet introduced religious hatred in Arabia and like Hitler > exterminated the Jews of Arabia in a vicious ethnic cleansing. Should a > messenger of God be so ruthless?  >  > Ayatollah Montazeri, > 4-     Comparing the treatment of the Jews of Medina by the Prophet and > their > genocide by Hitler is unfair and very cruel. After immigrating to Medina, the > Prophet dealt with the Jews with utmost cordiality. Treaties and agreements of > friendship were signed between the Jews and the Holy Prophet.  It was the > Jews who conspired with the Meccans and it was them who breached > several treaties. Detail of these cannot be contained in this letter. > Sina > It is amazing that Hazrate Ayatollah Uzma calls me �cruel�(zalim) for > comparing > the massacre of the Jews of Medina to the holocaust of Hitler but does not see > any cruelty in the cold blooded execution of up to 900 men, the exile of the > thousands of the Jews, the slavery of their women and the complete eradication > of these people from Arabia who had been calling Medina home for 2000 years. > Hitler killed the Jews because of their race. Muhammad killed the Jews because > of their race. Hitler intended to cleanse Germany of all the Jews. Muhammad > did > cleanse Arabia of all the Jews. What is the difference? Why should I be called > cruel for comparing two similar episodes? >  > emabdalah > 1. About the word âCruelâ > From Cambridge Andvanced Dictionary > Cruel = extremely unkind and unpleasant and > causing pain to people or animals intentionally. > Don't tease him about his weight - it's cruel. > Children can be very cruel to each other. >  > Shall Montazery say: âItâs very polite and > handsome of you to say Muhammad is like Hitler.â If so, he will never > become an Imam. By the way, I am agree with you (Sina)  the word âcruelâ > is not match. The matching > one is âstupidâ. âItâs very stupid of you bla... bla.. bla...â >  > 2. The execution of Jews is not genocide nor > ethnic cleansing. Montazeri and others, and book of history have explained > that > the Jews broken the peace trust many times (read: many times, not once). But > Sina still insist his statement. Than this is not a discussion nor debate if > the asker was not accepting the answer. When Bush and his soldiers killed > thousand of Iraqi fighters, shall we say Bush conducted ethnic cleansing? When > Amerikcan Marine killed Osama bin Laden, can we call genocide? When some > alleged terrorist executed, shall we say ethnic cleansing? Ethnic cleansing > and > execution is different. Yes, the number of Jews executed by Muhammad is > hundreds, because the actors that convicted guilty are numerous. Only the > adult > are punished. Women and children are safe. Compare with american who killed > any > kind of human in order to punish who against itâs democrazy. >  > 3. âHitler killed Jews because of the race. > Muhammad killed Jews because of the race.â This statement only shows Sina > how > small the pinhead he own. It seems that Sina disoriented the race and > religion. > Jews is not a race, itâs a religion, and Muhammad never conducted Jews > cleansing. He only punished the culprits. If he did ethnic cleansing, Hitler > will never get the âshareâ to hunt down Jews for none of Jews left. >  > 4. About the âReligious of Hatredâ entitled by > Sina to Islam, itâs not match. If so, how come million of people attracted > to > it?â >  > 5. The way Ali Sina uses to promote his debate > is alwyas initially uses provocative word like uneducated drunken man living > on > the street talking to busy passer by: âI saw your fat mother slept with my > pig > last nightâ. How could someone wonât be angry hearing it? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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