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-----Original Message----- From: Gabriella Rantau <gkran...@yahoo.com> Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:33:13 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com<proletar@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Fatwa By Saudi Sheikh: Soccer Players Are Infidels Menurut the Green Book yg berisikan fatwas dari alm Ayathollah Khomeni memang ngembat binatnag itu halal. Asalkan the poor animal segera dibantai dan dagingnya tidak boleh dimakan. Tapi ANEHNYA si Ayathollah Khomeni berkata bh halal menjuual daging bintang yg sudah diembat itu ke desa lain! Heibat, tidak! Gabriella ________________________________ From: itemabu2 <itema...@gmail.com> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Fatwa By Saudi Sheikh: Soccer Players Are Infidels Ngembat onta itu ga akan diributkan oleh ulama Islam spt cara mereka ngeributkan sepakbola atau cewek naik motor. Bisa jadi ulama2 Islam doyan ngembat onta, krn emang banyak majikan orang Islam di Arab yg doyan ngembat onta. On 1/12/13, Gabriella Rantau <gkran...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I wonder what sorts of games are permitted by the stupid Muslims. Perhaps, > someone should show us what kind of entertainment and sports were practised > in 7th century. Immediately comes to mind: the beheading of Jews and female > poets who dared critized the noble prophet. > > Gabriella > > > > > ________________________________ > From: itemabu2 <itema...@gmail.com> > To: proletar <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013 8:20 AM > Subject: [proletar] Fatwa By Saudi Sheikh: Soccer Players Are Infidels > > Apakah fatwa dr si syeikh yg bilang pemain sepakbola adalah kafir krn bikin > orang menjauh dr si auloh dsb ini salah? Kagak sama sekali, krn faktanya > orang bisa nonton sepakbola shg mereka kagak nungging2, kagak baca Quran > dsb. > > Dan sepakbola itu adalah emang bikinan orang kafir, shg ga boleh dimainkan > oleh orang Islam yg hrsnya cuma melakukan apa yg Islami doang. > > Jadi si syeikh ini ga salah. Tinggal masalah siapa yg berkuasa, kalo si > syeikh ini berkuasa, maka dia akan nerapkan fatwanya ini, dan para penjilat > pantat auloh dan nabi jg akan nurutin apa yg disuruh oleh si syeikh. Cuma > si syeikh ga berkuasa di Saudi, jadi dia dijebloskan ke penjara. > > Ini artinya Islam itu emang bisa diputer2 kayak apa semau orang, benar atau > salah tinggal masalah siapa yg lbh kuat. > > Perhatikan jg betapa munafiknya si syeikh ini, dia ngoceh soal sepakbola > adalah bikinan orang, tp dlm pembelaannya di pengadilan, si syeikh make > alasan hak asasi manusia yg ga lbh adalah bikinan orang jg. > > Kelakuan munafik dan dobel standard ini emang tipikal kelakuan orang Islam. > > > http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm > > > *January 10, 2013 * > *Special Dispatch No.5129* > > Fatwa By Saudi Sheikh: Soccer Players Are Infidels > > > *On December 5, 2012, Saudi sheikh Suleiman Al-'Alwan, a popular > Salafi-jihadi cleric, was released after being imprisoned without a trial > for nine > years.[1]<http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_edn1>Al-'Alwan's > trial began only recently; he is accused of having ties to > Al-Qaeda and issuing fatwas permitting terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia > and targeting Western interests in the world and in the Saudi > kingdom.[2]<http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_edn2> > * > > *Since his release, Al-'Alwan has received many visitors, including sheikhs > and former students, and has been asked to give his opinion on religious > questions. On December 23, 2012, in response to a question posed by a Saudi > youth, Al-'Alwan said that soccer was a form of heresy: "Soccer is a > Masonic game meant to distance Muslims from their religion and faith, and > most of the public that follows [soccer games] is loyal to the infidels." > Al-'Alwan called soccer players criminals and infidels: "[When] a man > watches a [soccer] game, God forbid, he is watching deviant criminals and > sinful infidels, even if they are Muslims." He added: "There is a serious > problem with [soccer] games, which is the refereeing, which follows manmade > laws, not Allah's > laws."[3]<http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_edn3> > * > > *It should be mentioned that shortly after his release, Al-'Alwan also > accused Egyptian President Muhammad Mursi of heresy for failing to > implement shari'a law in Egypt, and condemned Egypt's new constitution > because it guarantees religious freedom and treats Christians as equal to > Muslims. In addition, he held Mursi responsible for causing the deaths of > Salafis in > Sinai.[4]<http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_edn4> > * > > *Al-'Alwan's fatwa was harshly criticized by Saudi columnist Muhammad bin > 'Abd Al-Latif Aal Al-Sheikh, who wrote in the Saudi government > daily*Al-Jazirah > *that Al-'Alwan reminds him of Taliban sheikhs. The following is the > translation of his column:* > > > ** > > *"Al-'Alwan Is Reminiscent Of Taliban Sheikhs Who Forbade Polio [Vaccines] > Because Some Despicable Liar Told Them That The [Real] Purpose Of The > Vaccine Was To Sterilize Muslim Children" * > > "...Al-'Alwan made allegations [regarding a game] with which he is surely > unfamiliar... without thoroughly checking his facts first. Al-'Alwan is > reminiscent of Taliban sheikhs who forbade polio [vaccines] because some > despicable liar told them that the [real] purpose of the vaccine was to > sterilize Muslim children in a 'colonialist' attempt to prevent Muslims > from having children and [thus] limit their numbers... Hundreds of > thousands of ignoramuses heeded their fatwa, thus undermining all efforts > by the World Health Organization to prevent polio in Pakistan and > Afghanistan... > > "Al-'Alwan's views are not far from those of these sheikhs, since, like > them, he hears rumors and then issues mandatory rulings on their basis... > without first verifying if they are true." > > *"The Funny Thing Is That When Al-'Alwan Was Arrested... His Lawyer > Defended Him Based On The Arab Charter For Human Rights – Which Is A > Manmade Law" * > > "The funny thing is that when Al-'Alwan was arrested... his lawyer defended > him based on the Arab Charter for Human Rights, which is a manmade law, not > a religious one. How do you [Sheikh Al-'Alwan], let your lawyer cite [this > charter]... when you consider even soccer to be forbidden because its rules > are manmade? Isn't this a clear contradiction, reflecting [your] double > standards? When manmade laws and regulations serve you, you use them in > your defense. However, when they do not serve you, you condemn them and > incite the public to condemn them..." > > *"These Fabricated, Hasty And False Fatwas, Rife With Religious Zealotry, > [May] Have Been Suitable For A Former Age, But Today The Situation Has > Changed"* > > "Where does Al-'Alwan get this mistaken information, on which he based his > fatwa that soccer is a Masonic [game]? These fabricated, hasty and false > fatwas, rife with religious zealotry, [may] have been suitable for a former > age, but today the situation has changed. People no longer accept > everything a cleric says or rules, as though they were his disciples, > without examining it further, as they did in the past, when no one argued > with [the clerics]. Al-'Alwan and others of his ilk, who rush to publish > capricious fatwas based on unfounded rumors, must understand that we are in > the age of critical [thinking] and careful examination... If they publish > fatwas based on false information, the public will reject them as > [religious] rulings, because anything based on nonsense is nonsense itself, > regardless of who says > it."[6]<http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_edn6> > > > Endnotes: > > [1] <http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_ednref1> > *Azd*(Saudi Arabia), December 5, 2012. > > [2] <http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_ednref2> * > Al-Riyadh* (Saudi Arabia), January 2, 2013. > > [3] <http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_ednref3> > *Al-Hayat > *(London), December 31, 2012. Al-'Alwan's comments on soccer were uploaded > to YouTube on December 23, 2012: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c45OBkbKQlw, > December 23, 2012. For previous fatwas by Saudi clerics banning soccer, see > MEMRI Inquiry & Analysis Series Report No. 245, Anti-Soccer Fatwas Led > Saudi Soccer Players to Join the Jihad in > Iraq<http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/1494.htm>, > October 7, 2005, and MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 3085, Al-Hayat Editorial > Board Director: Fatwas Banning Soccer Reflect Crisis in Islamic > World<http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4435.htm>, > July 8, 2010. > > [4] <http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_ednref4>Al-'Alwan > also criticized Mursi's treatment of Copts, who, he said, > "corrupt the world," and advised him to impose the *jizya* tax on them and > humiliate them. He made the comments at a religious conference on the topic > of democracy and the Muslim Brotherhood. See MEMRI JTTM report Saudi Cleric > Accuses Mursi Of Heresy For Failing To Implement Shari'a In > Egypt<http://www.memrijttm.org/content/en/blog_personal.htm?id=6439%C2%B6m=GJN>, > December 31, 2012; Elaph.com, December 29, 2012. > > [5] <http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_ednref5> > Image: Sheikh > Al-'Alwan's Facebook > page<http://www.facebook.com/pages/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%8A%D8%AE-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9-%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B5%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86/172190757405> > . > > [6] <http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6922.htm#_ednref6> * > Al-Jazirah* (Saudi Arabia), December 30, 2012. > > > ** > > * > * > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com > Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com > Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com > List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com > Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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