Re: [PEDA] multi sheet problems

2001-12-21 Thread Dwight Harm
Bob, Two points about this -- 1) The list of footprints in the library symbol is merely possible choices -- you don't have to use any one of these. So changing the footprint list in the library should NOT update all the footprints for those symbols in the schematic. 2) Use global edit if you real

Re: [PEDA] Intelligent SCH and PCB components

2001-12-21 Thread Aalt Lokhorst
> Sounds like way to much confusion to me. I don't mean that you always have to use formulas. I wrote: 'What we need is the >>>option<<< of using formulas and expressions' What I mean is that we can do the job in the usual way, but for the exceptions and the specials it might be helpfull. We

Re: [PEDA] All of the best for Chrissmas and the New Year

2001-12-21 Thread bdm
I wish all of the members of this list all the best wishes for Xmas and the New Year. Thanks very much for the useful information gathered during the year. Brian Brian Merskey Institute for Maritime Technology Phone: (2721)7861092 Fax: (2721)7862189 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * *

[PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread Ian Wilson
Hello all, We have been given responsibility for a large suite of technology from a defunct US company (once owned by Cadence). The schematics are in OrCad capture (DSN) format, but the PCBs are unknown. I thought either OrCad Layout or Cadence Allegro but neither creates *.PCB files. Inspe

Re: [PEDA] Project woes

2001-12-21 Thread Wamnet
I did this last year when I realized the limitations of Camtastic in merging separate PCB's. I had to have separate PCBs, since the front panel controls (switches, rotary encoder, display) are all different stand off heights. I used the 1mm flex to interconnect. What I did was to segregate th

[PEDA] Protel 99SE "Un-Connected Pin Constraint" how to use it

2001-12-21 Thread Juha Pajunen
Hi, I am wondering "Un-Connected Pin Constraint" how to use it. I set all unconnected / no net pads to Pad Class, Members "box", but all unconnected pad that I have in my desing are green, does this Rule work opposite... This Rule checks all pads that are IN MEMBERS "box" instead of NOT to check

[PEDA] Meetings

2001-12-21 Thread Sean James
Has anybody ever thought about having local meetings for Protel users? This way we can put a "face" to the people in the forum, and to exchange information. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * *

Re: [PEDA] special board requirements ??

2001-12-21 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, alright, mr. lomax... i seen that comment about making a brick. hahaha. this board is a wraparound selftest for an interface device. it plugs in where the device under test (dut) would and checks copper path. the dut does indeed have two 63mil boards adhered onto a metal core. we hav

Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread John Williams
Have you tried Pads PowerPCB? John Williams At 09:03 PM 12/21/01 +1100, you wrote: >Hello all, > >We have been given responsibility for a large suite of technology from a >defunct US company (once owned by Cadence). The schematics are in OrCad >capture (DSN) format, but the PCBs are unknow

Re: [PEDA] special board requirements ??

2001-12-21 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
mr. lomax: thank you for your comments. if a single board is unobtainable or way too pricey, i will do like you say and sandwich two 63mil boards onto a core. i've posted another email on why i'd like to avoid this. is the 1-to-3 relationship between via width and via depth the same for a thr

Re: [PEDA] special board requirements ??

2001-12-21 Thread Frank Gilley
Michael, This 'lil project of yours raised an eyebrow over here, so I decided to ask my favorite prototype house if they could do this... and they said "sure" So, you might want to give these guys a call. I've had really good luck with them both on quality and prices, and I don't usually go aro

Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread lloyd . good
Ian, I did some work for a local company that was a spin-off of Nortel and ran into the same problem. The schematics were in Cadence but the PCB files were unknown. I found out later that they were created using a proprietary layout program of Nortels. It seems that this program is created by Cade

Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread Brooks,Bill
Tango, and Accell used the .pcb file format. Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D. DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS, INC 3030 Enterprise Court Vista, CA 92083 Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IPC Designers Council, San Diego Chapter http://www.ipc.org/S

[PEDA] Gerber file naming convention

2001-12-21 Thread Sean James
When Protel assigns gerber file name extensions (xx.gxx), what is the rule for internal layers? I just did a 6 layer board, and the extensions are. g10, .g1, .g2 & .g5. When you try to import either a single or batch file, Protel only allows a 3 character extension to be seen, and not a 2 char

Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread John Williams
At 08:54 AM 12/21/01 -0800, you wrote: >Tango, and Accell used the .pcb file format. As do Protel, Zuken Cadstar, and Mentor Expedition (Veribest). John Williams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list vis

Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread Tony Karavidas
Why not cut the file in half and post it somewhere for people to view the binary? > -Original Message- > From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:03 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files > >

Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread Tony Karavidas
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Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.

2001-12-21 Thread Steve Wiseman
On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Harry Selfridge wrote: > After much experimentation, we settled on dual-head Matrox cards. They are > very stable, and Matrox is constantly improving the firmware and > drivers. Update downloads are available on the Matrox website at > reasonably frequent intervals - even

Re: [PEDA] Gerber file naming convention

2001-12-21 Thread Tony Karavidas
This has been a little screwy for a long time. UNTIL they fix it, you'll have to rename the 2 digit files such as: .g1 --> .g01 That allows the gerber read back to get them all. > -Original Message- > From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:00 A

[PEDA] Format of PIK file

2001-12-21 Thread M. Wahab

Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.

2001-12-21 Thread Bob Wolfe
Steve, Your source for danger??? Just a question how it was determined it was really dual proc that causes Matrox dual head problems. Its been a while too since I have used dual proc and the dual head set up but we never really got ant good info out of Dell or Matrox back then. Robert M. Wolfe, C

Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread Bob Wolfe
Ian, VeriBest (now Mentor) was one that had a .pcb extension Robert M. Wolfe, C.I.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Ian Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 5:03 AM Subject: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB

Re: [PEDA] Want to know which program created some .PCB files

2001-12-21 Thread Douglas McDonald
What are the first few bytes of the files (10 or so). That shouldn't give any IP away! There might be a recognisable header... >>Hello all, >> >>We have been given responsibility for a large suite of technology from a >>defunct US company (once owned by Cadence). The schematics are in OrCad >>c

Re: [PEDA] multi sheet problems

2001-12-21 Thread Bob Wolfe
Dwight, I believe it is the first one on the list of footprints it will actually put on the board. And the only one it will automatically put on the board. In my situation I would really like an option to update automatically in one shot all of the footprints in a board to what is in the library.

Re: [PEDA] Meetings

2001-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I understand that the user group started with local meetings in the San Jose California area, but there have not been actual meetings for a long time, except for a few Protel-sponsored meetings at PCB Design Conference West and East. Worcester is about an hour away from me and I'd be happy to

Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.

2001-12-21 Thread Brian Guralnick
I had my Matrox G400DH with my dual PIII 450Mhz Intel based mother board for 1.5 years. The only problem I had was games did not play too smoothly. If you tell me what your system configuration it, I can solve your Matrox headaches. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - F

Re: [PEDA] Format of PIK file

2001-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:18 PM 12/21/2001 -0500, M. Wahab wrote: > what is the format of a Protel .PIK file and how would it know >the units (mils or mm) ? Assuming Protel 99, the PIK file is controlled by the CAM Manager. A pick and place generation file is created in the CAM Outputs for [pcbfilename] folder

Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.

2001-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:48 PM 12/21/2001 +, Steve Wiseman wrote: >Danger, Will Robinson! The Matrox drivers, at least unitil very recently >when I gave up trying, do _not_ work on twin-CPU machines. (I tend to run >twins, so I can have Specctra battering away in the background, but keep >on Protelling on the ot

Re: [PEDA] Project woes

2001-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:36 PM 12/21/2001 +1100, Thomas wrote: >I have a 5 sheet project that I was planning to put on one PCB. >However It has become clear that there is no way all the parts are going to >fit in the space available. > >To solve this I will have to stack 2 PCBs (there are mounting slots provided >fo

Re: [PEDA] multi sheet problems

2001-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:26 PM 12/20/2001 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: >but is it true that to use the synchronizer the schematics have to have >all the right footprints plugged into the sch symbol? Someone else answered "Yes." I don't think so. Uncheck "Update Component Footprints" in the Update PCB dialog. [E

Re: [PEDA] special board requirements ??

2001-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:34 AM 12/21/2001 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: >is the 1-to-3 relationship between via width and via depth the >same for a thruhole pad? From a fabrication point of view, more or less, a via = a thruhole pad. The plating process is the same. On the subject of cost, it sounds like