On 02:22 PM 24/01/2002 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>
> >
> >
> > > ... I worked with PHD math major who walked around with a coffee mug
> > > most of the time sharing his paradoxes of math algorithms
> > and equating
> > them
> > > to real world applications. He once told me the boring
> > m
This topic is getting a bit heated - time to drop it I think.
Although it is always tempting to get the last word in on a topic this one
seems to be getting personal and we don't really need that do we. Maybe it
could go to the OT list, or better still to private email.
My opinions only of co
>
>
> > ... I worked with PHD math major who walked around with a coffee mug
> > most of the time sharing his paradoxes of math algorithms
> and equating
> them
> > to real world applications. He once told me the boring
> mathematical
> theory
> > how to stack oranges in the most efficient
> ... I worked with PHD math major who walked around with a coffee mug
> most of the time sharing his paradoxes of math algorithms and equating
them
> to real world applications. He once told me the boring mathematical
theory
> how to stack oranges in the most efficient manner. Yes there was a
On 03:34 PM 23/01/2002 -0600, Joel Hammer said:
> > The problem is *not* that wheel mice don't work with Protel!
>
>
> no it doesn't work properly! as soon as the wheel is turned the
> keyboard
>freaks out and i have to reboot. (press Esc and the windows start button
>menuwould pop-up
Dennis wrote:
> SO HOW is the blazerouter?
> just curious
>
I have the Blaze router as well as Spectra. Unfortunately, I never had the
time over the past year or two that PADs released the new router software
to tinker with the router. Almost all of the PADs designers I know in our
area have ba
My responses are below, preceeded by ***
JaMi Smith
Optical Crossing Inc.
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Subject: Re: [PEDA] Looking for a resistor supplier.
At 06:04
Tom,
what are the settings you use to get the text showing up ? as I cant seem
to recreate your problem.
please elaborate
Wayne Trow
PCB Design Technician
Gallagher Group LTD
Hamilton
NEW ZEALAND
[p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737
[f] +64 7 838 9801
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Unfortunately, driver problems often only show up in one or two programs,
especially those programs that stress the driver. Schematic & PCB output
(print & display) is certainly graphically intensive compared to your
average Windows program. Similarly, if you talk to a PC-gamer, they can
tell yo
John Whittaker wrote:
> Peter
> I agree. Our investment into Protel has been tremendous. We are not
> shareholders, so we have no voice, but I feel as though they should invest
> more in getting their tools to be stable and well behaved, although I
> understand market pressures can drive decisi
my experience both first and second hand is that lowel level devices
(like keyboard and mouse) are not advisable candidates for USB
implementation
with some trepidation i put in a wireless logictech optical mouse on USB
and after a small amount of futzing and rebooting W2K, it worked great
then
At 02:58 PM 1/23/2002 -0600, Jeff Stout wrote:
>P98 developed a bad rap after a few people complained and compared it
>to P99. In my opinion, P98 was a stable and very usable product; and I
>believe many people feel the same way.
It was certainly a very usable product. However, when I joined thi
How about these variations?
Mutila (what a Protel user mutates into trying to work around bugs)
Ultima (oops, that's too close to another product (Ultiboard))
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL
>no it doesn't work properly! as soon as the wheel is turned the
keyboard
> freaks out and i have to reboot. (press Esc and the windows start button
> menuwould pop-up.)
this sounds like the MouseWheel driver problem, which was not Protels bug,
but Microsofts. what version of Mouse d
SO HOW is the blazerouter?
just curious
maybe Talium will come out with another one
Dennis Saputelli
Stephen Casey wrote:
>
> I caught sight of PADS PowerPCB software recently, more specifically their
> BlazeRouter. There's a message that reads:
>
> 'Welcome to BlazeRouter, Innoveda's next gen
This may be related to the loss of keyboard shortcut problem that occurs with Microsoft
Intellimouse drivers, the mouse wheel and Protel.
Workaround:
Open the Mouse Properties control panel (in the Window's Control Panels directory) and
click on the "Wheel" tab. Click on the "Exceptions" button
I think Camtastic is Fantastic. I do a lot of test fixtures and need the DXF
feature so I can export to mechanical vendors. I also use it to make bitmap
files for insertion into word doc files. I also used it to import Mentor
Gerbers and export Gerbers suitable for Protel (turn off all optimiza
I caught sight of PADS PowerPCB software recently, more specifically their
BlazeRouter. There's a message that reads:
'Welcome to BlazeRouter, Innoveda's next generation autorouter implemented
on Innoveda's new Latium technology.'
I'm sure that Latium is an anagram. It's on the tip of my tongue.
>
> Okay, fine, but fix the bugs before dumping on buckets of
> buzzwordy features
> and manager bait. 3D PCB visualization? That project should
> be killed and
> the software engineers working on it should immediately be
> reassigned to
> Protel's QA dept.
>
> $8K is still a heck of a
> If they did *everything* that we have said they should have done, the
> software might well be twice as expensive. Each one of these
> considerations
> costs money, and, ultimately, the buck starts here
good, i want them to use my dollars first and make it so the wheel doesn't
caus
GC-CAMEdit and Powerstation are graphicode products
www.graphicode.com
Wayne Trow
PCB Design Technician
Gallagher Group LTD
Hamilton
NEW ZEALAND
[p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737
[f] +64 7 838 9801
[e] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Peter
> I refused to use 98. I continued to use Protel for windows 2.8 until 99SE
> came out. It wasn't until I discovered the real benefits of the database
> idea did I completely abandon 2.8. I think you'll find yourself in the
> minority if you think 98 was more stab
P98 developed a bad rap after a few people complained and compared it
to P99. In my opinion, P98 was a stable and very usable product; and I
believe many people feel the same way. In contrast. many people is this
very forum refused to jump to P99se immediately. Very few people
trusted it in the
>Protel remains the best package in its price class. That is far from saying
>that it is perfect.
Okay, fine, but fix the bugs before dumping on buckets of buzzwordy features
and manager bait. 3D PCB visualization? That project should be killed and
the software engineers working on it should im
At 02:14 PM 1/23/2002 -0600, John Whittaker wrote:
>Peter
>I agree. Our investment into Protel has been tremendous. We are not
>shareholders, so we have no voice,
We have no vote, per se, but we most definitely have a voice. It used to be
true that nearly every Protel employee subscribed to th
At 10:58 AM 1/23/2002 -0800, Peter W. Richards wrote:
>Is it just me, or was Protel98 a heck of a lot stabler before they
>client-servered and databased and OLE'd everything to death in 99? I liked
>98 a lot, but 99 has been a big step back if you ask me...maybe we should
>all demand free downgra
Wayne -Where can I find the 2 products that you mentioned?
Sean James
PCB Designer
Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
102 Grove Street
Worcester, MA 01605
(TEL) 508.754.4858 x33
(FAX) 413.541.6170
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From: "Wayne Trow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECT
At 12:57 PM 1/23/2002 -0600, Joel Hammer wrote:
>So now my computer is designed and built by Protel. I have been forced to
>change one of my input devices. (from a wheeled mouse to a standard mouse)
>And was forced to remove my blessed macro keyboard from my system. Both of
>which affect my work s
Peter
I agree. Our investment into Protel has been tremendous. We are not
shareholders, so we have no voice, but I feel as though they should invest
more in getting their tools to be stable and well behaved, although I
understand market pressures can drive decisions, as well. Oh well, I still
s
the wheel mouse works for me
but i agree that some of this stuff is kind of bush league
Dennis Saputelli
Joel Hammer wrote:
>
> A year and a half ago I made the decision to go with Protel 99SE based upon
> inputs from a couple of friends and colleagues, price and all seemed to go
> well during
> Is it just me, or was Protel98 a heck of a lot stabler before they
> client-servered and databased and OLE'd everything to death in 99? I
liked
> 98 a lot, but 99 has been a big step back if you ask me...
It's all part of the trend towards distributed computing. It's a concept
that is a mixed
Peter
I refused to use 98. I continued to use Protel for windows 2.8 until 99SE
came out. It wasn't until I discovered the real benefits of the database
idea did I completely abandon 2.8. I think you'll find yourself in the
minority if you think 98 was more stable. I would prefer to use the DOS
Au
Thanks for the information, Wayne.
Shawn
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From: "Wayne Trow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
>
> Shawn,
>
> In my opinion CAMtastic is a lemon.
>
> I use Isolator
At 01:48 PM 1/23/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > What is generally considered too close of spacing between a through
> hole and
> > an SMT pad?
> >
>
>Anything which doesn't leave some soldermask in between the two, unless
>you're doing some of the more exotic tricks which allow vias in
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