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Hello all,
Just a brief comment before the discussion really hots up.
There is lots to like about DXP. There is lots to re-learn. There is lots
that is the same. There is lots to dislike.
Lets try to make the discussion constructive. Altium do watch this list
and I would guess they would
On 07:00 AM 30/07/2002 +0100, Terry Harris said:
><..SNIP..>I'm sure - but it isn't going to change anything soon - the only
>question
>for most of us is do we want DXP instead of 99SE and if so do we want it as
>much as the upgrade price.
>
>I remember some of the promises about DXP that were on
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:41:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
>>2. It took me about 20 minutes to get the first application exception error
>>- not bad for a Protel 1.00 version (although it calls itself 7.0.xxx).
>Yep. How did you get it?
Trying to find out where schematic ERC had gone which I assume
On 12:02 PM 30/07/2002 +0800,
=?big5?B?Ikx1bywgWXUtTWluZyAow7mlya/6IElBQy1OKSI=?= said:
>How to do a global edit in dxp?
A few things to get *very* familiar with:
1) The navigator panel - once you have a filtered selection use the navigator.
2) The concept of filters and filtering - browse all
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>> >Just D/L it
I've got about 80% of it so far, not all of us have cable or DSL
(yet). :(
>>2. It took me about 20 minutes to get the first application exception error
>>- not bad for a Protel 1.00 version (although it calls itself 7.0.xxx).
IW> Yep. How did you get it?
I am also curious abo
On 03:11 AM 30/07/2002 +0100, Terry Harris said:
>On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:39:09 +0100, John A. Ross wrote:
>
> >Just D/L it
>
>So did I. My impressions after 30 minutes
>
>1. Major Major cosmetic surgery.
Some of it nice - some of it a little annoying for skilled users.
>2. It took me abo
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:39:09 +0100, John A. Ross wrote:
>Just D/L it
So did I. My impressions after 30 minutes
1. Major Major cosmetic surgery.
2. It took me about 20 minutes to get the first application exception error
- not bad for a Protel 1.00 version (although it calls itself 7.0.xx
So the saga continues. You can bet their sales guys are happy. They have new shiny
interface to sell. Gether all you vain engineers. There are new glass perls and DXP
mirrors in the shop.
Igor
-Original Message-
From: John Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, 29 July 2002 9:39
just to clarify terms here
don't you really mean 'starting weight' 1oz copper not '1 oz plating'?
1/2 oz starting wt is used for finer pitch and lines and 2 oz for some
power applications
the traditional tin lead plating is in addition to that
Dennis Saputelli
Brad Velander wrote:
>
> Shawn,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > For instance, I was happily running Office 97 under NT when the computer
> > guys decided to give me an upgrade to Office 2000. Whether this event was
> > related or not with other upgrades, shortly thereafter I got a failure to
>
> Speaking of upgrades breaking thing
Shawn,
Your welcome. Here is some further info.
Daniel and I had a discussion offline about my comments on copper
plating limitations at Enigma. Seems that Daniel says he receives boards
with platings that I was told they couldn't (or more correctly, wouldn't)
do. So my comments ma
Thank you Brad and Daniel for the board house recommendations.
-Shawn
- Original Message -
From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
Shawn,
here is the proto house that I have
> For instance, I was happily running Office 97 under NT when the computer
> guys decided to give me an upgrade to Office 2000. Whether this event was
> related or not with other upgrades, shortly thereafter I got a failure to
Speaking of upgrades breaking things, I once had a machine that woul
Brad:
I have them plate 1/2oz copper on a regular basis, and have no problems at
all. I have been quite pleased with them.
Daniel
-Original Message-
From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 12:07 PM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
Microsoft is going to drop support for WinNT this year.
You cannot expect any other company to support WinNT any longer.
This doesn't mean it is not going to run, consider it a legal quote - meaningless.
Even if you have problems with supported OS versions, they're not going to help you.
Therefor
Please See my comments below:
> As to this comment... I haven't a problem with listing the software that I
> originally installed on my PC. However to question the trustworthiness of
my
> statement, this I find a bit insulting. To say the very least!
> Prog's as follows: (in order of installation
I joke not I was just trying to get the download from PADS and their server
chocked
I have been out of work for a bit and need to get reacquainted with PADS
because here in NE there is a microcosm of users that use Protel and It was
great while it lasted and better than PADS however I need to get
John,
I'm with you on the metric thing.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: John Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:14 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel
DXP?)
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Sapie
I'd download or otherwise get the 30 days trial and try
it under NT. Feedback appreciated.
Rene
Narinder Kumar wrote:
> Protel has no plan to run this new Protel DXP to run under Windows NT.
>
> Not a good thing
* Tra
I still can't stop laughing..
Brian Guralnick
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Voice (514) 624-4003
Fax (514) 624-3631
- Original Message -
From: "John Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel
> DXP?)
>
> PADS 5.0?
You may joke,
I keep one seat PPCB/Plogic and at least v5 d/l worked out the box and metric support
is OK.
(still peeved
One small warning about Enigma, they state casually that they "...normally
plate 1 ounze copper". Understand that this comment actually means that they
"ONLY" plate 1 ounce copper. They absolutely will not plate any copper
weight but 1 ounce.
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.
Lead PCB Designer
Norsat In
Brian,
My install was OK and it is running fine (till I got peeved about the metric support
and stopped playing),
but Steve's install failed.
Both were on W2K Sp2
So you have 50/50 chance if its the d/l or the environment that was the problem.
Best Regards
John A. Ross
> -Original
PADS 5.0?
- Original Message -
From: "Brian Guralnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP ( What is new in protel DXP?)
> LOL. Take a guess which PCB package demo I will not
LOL. Take a guess which PCB package demo I will not be downloading today. 1 try.
Brian Guralnick
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Voice (514) 624-4003
Fax (514) 624-3631
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mond
Have you tried "Enigma", http://www.enigmacorp.com/
Daniel
-Original Message-
From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:15 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
Can anyone recommend an alternative to Alberta Printed Circuits in western
Canada
Yes It won't run at all under NT?
I got a quotation for DXP from Protel it say " Working with Windows 2000 and
XP only "
Narinder
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP NOT MA
W2K SP2, I beleive Steve is the same?
Best Regards
John A. Ross
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> What OS are you running?
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > John,
> >
> > I'm glad it works for
Tony,
I'm running Win2K, SP2. John sent me an email - he's running the same as me.
It'll be some weird incompatibility, but I haven't got time to mess about
with it at the moment.
Steve.
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 July 2002 17:28
>
What OS are you running?
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 5:15 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Altium Release Protel DXP
>
>
> John,
>
> I'm glad it works for you. It doesn't work for me yet. I did
> in
Does this mean Protel just isn't optimized for NT or it won't run at all
under NT?
>Protel has no plan to run this new Protel DXP to run under Windows NT.
>Not a good thing
>Narinder
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See comments added below...
- Original Message -
From: "Fabian Hartery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
> Joel,
>
> I will jump in to the fire on this one to say that 99SE is
Shawn,
here is the proto house that I have used for years for all of my
general and multi-layer prototype needs. Note: they are a proto shop only,
but do have associations for supplying production quantity boards as well.
Also they do not have deep gold capabilities if that was a requireme
Can anyone recommend an alternative to Alberta Printed Circuits in western
Canada?
Thanks, Shawn
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*
Guess its still years behind.
Just like the matched length capability, kinda like
a car that does have a steering wheel but it is for future use only not
connected to anything. There to say we can steer a car but at some later
date.
Bob Wolfe
- Original Message -
From: "John Ross" <[EMAIL
Protel has no plan to run this new Protel DXP to run under Windows NT.
Not a good thing
Narinder
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*
John,
I'm glad it works for you. It doesn't work for me yet. I did install to NOT
the default install path (I put it in '\altium', rather than '\program
files\altium'), so I uninstalled, and then re-installed to the default path,
just in case. Anyway, it still doesn't work, which is a shame, as I
Just D/L it
Altium, Thanks for the proper metric support, NOT! in SCH for PCB directives & layout.
First thing I tried, as the lack of PCB rules definition in SCH & their translation in
98/99/SE was years behind anyone else.
Metric values entered are auto converted to imp units after they are
Hello all,
I've downloaded and installed the DXP trial on a Windows 2000 PC, with 384MB
RAM. When I run it, I get a message that it has generated errors, and an
error log is being created. That's it! Nothing else, and a reboot makes no
difference.
Has anybody else had it working yet?
Steve.
>
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