Re: [PEDA] v large pcb document

2004-09-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:05 AM 9/3/2004, Dave Courtney wrote: For future reference this was a hidden component that could not be selected for some reason. I did a text search on the PCB file and found a large positive fractional X component value. To fix this I edited the schematic to remove the component, updated th

Re: [PEDA] We Need Your Help!

2004-07-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I just thought I'd comment on the basic problem. From my understanding, an import was done from PADS to Protel which moved track from an assembly layer to the silkscreen layer. Good import programs allow explicit cross-program mapping of layers, but that's another issue As long as there is a

Re: [PEDA] Hierarchy designs in DXP/2004

2004-07-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:56 AM 6/30/2004, Leo Potjewijd wrote: At 30-6-2004 00:34, Stephen Noftall wrote: [In DXP,] Is there anyway to get hierarchal designs to work when a component has 2 parts, and they go to the odd/even sub sheets? like if 1/2 of an opamp goes to sheet 1, and the other half to sheet 2. Then th

Re: [PEDA] Is there any way to force a redraw on all poys in P99SP6?

2004-06-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:33 AM 6/11/2004, Chris Lowe wrote: I have a current design with a large number of polys being used around the PSU area. Is there any way to force a redraw on all of hem to take account of a design rule change other than doing it poly by poly? Yes, as I recall. Select them all, then cut and

Re: [PEDA] Incrementing Components

2004-06-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:28 AM 3/14/2003, Z Hylton wrote: I am panelizing a number of small boards, (5 caps, two SOP16 packages). I'm using DXP and when I copy the second board, all the designator's names are changed. C1 becomes C1_1, ...the third board has designator's changed from C1 to C1_2... and so on. Does anyo

Re: [PEDA] Is Protel 99SE to 2004 upgrade a good idea yet?

2004-05-31 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:25 PM 5/29/2004, Terry Harris wrote: Having just been offered a discount to upgrade from 99SE to 2004 it's time to think about it again. (I knew those special offers would keep coming). Is it fit to use yet or should hold out for a couple more service packs and the next special offer? Don't c

Re: [PEDA] Router comparison

2004-05-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:57 PM 5/26/2004, Mira wrote: Are you ready to shoot me now or I'll have one more minute? The leader of the firing squad says, "I'd let you have a cigarette, but they are bad for your health" Abd, I'm giving work away if I'd like to test somebody. I always use one and the same design for

Re: [PEDA] Router comparison

2004-05-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
n autorouter to save time, it automatically benefits the customer. Our responsibility to the customer is to choose the appropriate techniques for the job, balancing cost and quality. So if you give us a PCB design to do and we ask you "how many of these do you plan to make," now you know why w

Re: [PEDA] Purchase Used Protel 99SE

2004-05-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
for protel resales specifically. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The archive is accessible on yahoogroups.com. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA license resales Easthampton, Massachusetts, USA (413) 527-3881, efax (419) 730-4777 [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison

2004-05-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:48 AM 5/18/2004, Protel Hell wrote: In every schematic capture program I have used once two nodes are connected the wire moves with the nodes. If the net has a name it stays with the net as well. I've used schematic capture programs (more than just Protel) that don't do this, but, certainl

Re: [PEDA] Flipping a PCB layout - 99SE

2004-05-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:35 PM 5/17/2004, Ray Mitchell wrote: I was not clear. I want to flip the entire PCB layout and be able to work on and modify it - not just view it. It should be understood that a Flip View option would allow just what Mr. Mitchell has stated he wants. You could work on the board while the

Re: [PEDA] TO-263 and TO-220 footprints?

2004-05-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:39 PM 5/17/2004, Hamid Wasti wrote: I have been there, done that, got burned to the tune of over $10K by a bad footprint in the Protel library back in version 2.8 days. Since then, I have never used a single footprint that I did not design myself. It is just as quick to design it yourself

Re: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison

2004-05-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:33 AM 5/17/2004, Jeff Condit wrote: On a related note, I find having meaningful net names helps me understand and untangle the PCB when I'm not autorouting. Therefore I would like to name (nearly) all significant nets on the schematic. Absolutely. This is much more useful than automatic name

Re: [PEDA] Flipping a PCB layout - 99SE

2004-05-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:03 PM 5/17/2004, Ray Mitchell wrote: Is there a way to flip an entire PCB layout along the Y axis, thereby producing a view of everything from the bottom layer to the top? This has been discussed extensively, and Mr. Wilson produced a server that would flip a whole PCB. I forget the status

Re: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison

2004-05-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:41 PM 5/16/2004, Mira wrote: I don't like editing the manual routing in both PCAD and Protel. Orcad and Allegro are much better. I wonder if you could describe what you don't like. What is difficult, or tedious, or whatever about "editing the manual routing" in PCAD and Protel? As for placi

Re: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison

2004-05-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I'm not entirely certain that I'm not missing some context here, but, for the record: At 04:27 AM 5/15/2004, Mira wrote: [re PCAD] Wires? Oh, that's one of the coolest things. You can just place the components pin to pin and they are connected. This is also true for Protel. In 99SE, place two pin

Re: [PEDA] Protel TOP GUN

2004-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:34 PM 5/12/2004, Brooks,Bill wrote: In the case of PCB WEST TOP GUN, the actual design is held in confidence for obvious reasons. It's obvious why it would be held in confidence prior to the contest. Is it kept in confidence for all time after that? If it were available, then one could hold

Re: [PEDA] Connectivity - Netlist issues

2004-05-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:12 AM 5/5/2004, John A. Ross [Design] wrote: However I made a small test board, parent + 5 child sheets using the same ID key.sch file in it and it does not show the error under the same enviroment so the problem seems localised to the other design (or the number of sheets). Very good. Now, i

Re: [PEDA] Snap to Grid?

2004-05-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:42 AM 5/5/2004, John Girvan wrote: thanks all for your help... i was just playing about with some tracks and had them at 8 mil thick on an 8mil grid spaced at 8mil edge to edge and wanted to change them to 10mil edge to edge - thus, change the grid, 'snap to grid' and hope! more curiosity

Re: [PEDA] Which routing rule, I wonder?

2004-05-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:52 PM 5/4/2004, Leonard Gabrielson wrote: Recently I've noticed that the autorouter is taking some real liberties with the way it routes! i.e. traces going in a diagonal direction for a LONG way! I vaguely remember seeing a place to set this in the routing rules, but of course can't fin

Re: [PEDA] Snap to Grid?

2004-05-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:41 PM 5/4/2004, John Girvan wrote: As a new Protel User, coming over from Mentor 'Expedition' series, im trying to find a 'snap to grid' option as per Mentor, im sure there is something ive overlooked basically, i have drawn in a row of 3 straight 'dummy' tracks on an 8th grid. If i ch

Re: [PEDA] Connectivity - Netlist issues

2004-05-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:17 PM 5/4/2004, John A. Ross [Design] wrote: I am still getting some ERC errors on some pins connected to power objects in the ERC. These errors now match up to corresponding netlist import errors 'net already exists' The issue seems to be where there is only one power object of the same net

Re: [PEDA] Sheet entry methodologies in 99SE

2004-05-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:48 AM 5/4/2004, John A. Ross [Design] wrote: Does anyone else use this method for keeping top sheets clean in 99SE? See screenshot http://www.proteluser.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=71#post71 If you look at net labels HA[0..18], HD[0..15] and HA20/HA21/WE0 you will see that I have added additio

Re: [PEDA] Connectivity - Netlist issues

2004-05-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:58 AM 5/4/2004, John A. Ross [Design] wrote: I have had a few discussions previously on this list about the connectivity models within 99SE and how I have had in some cases seen errors where power ports are not treated as global when using Sheet Symbols/Port connections. Haven't seen that. Su

[PEDA] Odd list behavior

2004-04-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Three times in a row, now, today, I see messages to the PEDA Forum apparently responding to messages that obviously the list transmitted but I did not receive. I received two messages dated 4/25, one from Mr. Zhang Yangtian and one from Mr. Saputelli in response, i.e., normal. Today, 4/26, the

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:40 PM 4/10/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote: It is a sad fact that Altium would prefer to listen to the 'few' than the many as regards how their tools are now styled, viewed and the direction that they have taken. This brings us to a classic problem, that of the alleged "silent majority." Un

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:51 PM 4/10/2004, Christopher Coley wrote: I am getting fairly fed up with all this negativism towards Altium. With all due respect, if the negativism is leading to digestive disturbances, the sensible thing is to stop reading the thread which is clearly, on the face, about alternatives to A

Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?

2004-04-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:44 AM 4/10/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [re Altium's essay into software maintenance fees] And why did we reject the idea? I can not speak for you, but I can speak for myself. There were two reasons. First, when I bought 99SE, it came with support included in the price I paid for it.

Re: [PEDA] The Protel 99SE router (router?)

2004-04-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:36 PM 4/8/2004, JaMi Smith wrote: I thought that this problem still existed in Situs, at least thru DXP PreSP3. Has it now been fixed? Don't ask me! What I wrote was based on reports that Situs had improved cleanup. As I stated explicitly, I haven't yet experimented with Situs. It is sad i

Re: [PEDA] Nanoboard

2004-04-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:51 PM 4/2/2004, JaMi Smith wrote: I am not quite sure just what I am supposed to be getting here in the mail as an "upgrade" [...] The Nanoboard is not routinely included in the automatic DXP -> 2004 upgrade. If a user bought or upgraded to DXP after a certain date, I think it may be inclu

Re: [PEDA] 2004 getting fired

2004-03-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:38 AM 3/30/2004, edsi wrote: I receive the DXP forom information but rarely post anything there. I dont like the idea that PRAVDA has control of what I want to say. They have control, theoretically. In practice the DXP forum is not moderated. They allow criticism. Alleged extended flaming h

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:56 PM 3/17/2004, Ian Wilson wrote: On 08:31 AM 18/03/2004, Protel Hell said: productivity, productivity, productivity those are the three things that need improvement in DXP This is an interesting comment. I don't like going back to P99SE for this very reason. I use DXP by preference, even

Re: [PEDA] Activation (was Anybody else recieve these types of messages...)

2004-03-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:40 AM 3/11/2004, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: As far as Activation goes, I think it blows. The only s/w I have that has Activiation is my new Fujitsu laptop, which came with XP Pro. I don't call what Protel has "Activation", it's a license manager. I like Protel's license manager. When a

Re: [PEDA] Sound WAS New PC tested...

2004-03-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:53 AM 3/11/2004, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: BTW, I know I should take this topic to the OT forum. However, I have never seen any activity on that forum. And I have tried to sign up for it 2 or 3 times in the past, but never seem to be able to get on it. I think I did the sign-up proce

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:12 PM 3/9/2004, Brooks,Bill wrote: Funny, I blame Microsoft for our acceptance of software with 'bugs' in it... I tell you what... If I found bugs in something I bought from the grocery store... I would take it back. You wouldn't do that if you were hungry enough and there was no other groce

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Ironic, isn't it, that this thread has been filled with sometimes harsh complaint, while the title is as it is. I look at my mail list and see, repeated over and over "2004 DXP Looks Great." I agree with that, as well as with some of the criticism here. Note that the criticism in this thread i

Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,

2004-03-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
[sigh...] At 09:34 PM 3/8/2004, JaMi Smith wrote: This is kind of what I was trying to address in the DXP Forum with a post there, before Nick stepped in and totally side-stepped the issue by telling me to go read a link. Pesky fellow, he, distracting us from our monomanias. People keep calling

Re: [PEDA] Vias do not tent when expected

2004-03-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:40 PM 3/4/2004, Leo Potjewijd wrote: All the vias that are placed during interactive routing (switching layers) show the big expansion , all the vias that are placed with the Place Via command are tented. From all the discussion which has preceded, this is exactly expected behavior. The "

Re: [PEDA] Cost of 99SE Package

2004-02-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:41 AM 2/28/2004, Robert Ritchey wrote: Does anyone know what the going rate for an upgradable 99SE package is approximately? Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have no idea and would like to make a reasonable offer when a package comes along. I'm in the process of completing a sale at

[PEDA] Backup support for PEDA

2004-02-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Users of this list (PEDA) should be aware that there is a backup list operated by the Protel Users Association, [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was created to be of use at those times when the PEDA list might be down. It is also open for general information for Protel users, *but* we request that users no

Re: [PEDA] Synchroniser won't recognise components

2004-02-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:55 AM 2/3/2004, Leo Potjewijd wrote: I changed the schematic (just a single sheet) to include all connectors and their interconnections (almost all of them got a new refdes); then I changed the PCB manually to add the new ones, delete the unwanted ones and renumbered them all according to

Re: [PEDA] TO-220 4th pin?

2004-02-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:42 PM 2/2/2004, Dom Bragge wrote: Thanks all for your suggestions. I have taken the 3pin library part, 5pin footprint approach, there being three Pin2's on the footprint: the normal middle pin, another for the large mounting hole & one surface mount pin to give copper pad & soldermask ant

Re: [PEDA] Orcad vs. Protel (was: Leaving Protel)

2004-01-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:10 PM 1/29/2004, Kerry Berland wrote: We did a custom project last year in which we were asked to use Orcad Layout in place of Protel. It was an ordeal. Lacked behind Protel in dozens of ways. Error checking was poor, user interface difficult to learn, limited undo, many other shortcomings. O

Re: [PEDA] TO-220 4th pin?

2004-01-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:21 AM 1/29/2004, Tony Karavidas wrote: This will DRC properly because of the manual net assignment, however the thing to watch is when you do an UpdatePCB from the schematic. It will try and generate a macro to remove U?_PAD0 from net GND. Just delete that macro and continue. This is why it i

Re: [PEDA] New Protel Forum

2004-01-28 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:41 PM 1/26/2004, Steve Smith wrote: I just got a phone call from David Murphy of the Eng-Tips web site www.eng-tips.com . He was asked by one of his members if he should start a Protel forum and after talking it over with him for several minutes, concluded that he should. Now, I wonder, wer

Re: [PEDA] Design Rule Question

2004-01-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:01 PM 1/16/2004, Dan Enslen wrote: I've been searching the archives and haven't found an answer to my question. What is and how do you use the mask feature in the design rules? ie: Component Clearance Rule. If you choose footprint or component there is a field for Mask. Thank you. It

Re: [PEDA] Gerber output problems

2004-01-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:27 PM 1/15/2004, you wrote: The "missing" hole is for a plastic locating pin in a blow moulded housing. Hence no need for copper to allow for screw head size, as there is no screw. I thought that was a possibility. No need for copper, but also, most likely, no harm. I would not make this an

Re: [PEDA] Gerber output problems

2004-01-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:12 PM 1/15/2004, Drew Mills wrote: Well my problem is solved, but I still cannot explain why. The pad was on the top layer, instead of multilayer as I intended. Changing to multilayer and re-generating the gerbers sorted it. I would have thought though that it doesn't matter what layer the pa

Re: [PEDA] annular ring or diameter difference?

2004-01-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:11 PM 1/15/2004, Leo Potjewijd wrote: Help! It may just be my memory playing tricks (already pulled over 40 hours this week), but I thought that the annular ring design rules used the same math (i.e. the difference between the radii) for both pads and vias. Some of the Protel documentation

Re: [PEDA] Strange Power Plane Connection

2004-01-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:01 AM 1/15/2004, Edi Im Hof wrote: [I had written:] By the way, it appears you have vias thermally relieved. That is probably not the best practice, it is better to set a design rule so that all vias are direct-connect. Vias do not generally need thermal relief, and direct connection has t

Re: [PEDA] Polygon Connect question

2004-01-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:50 PM 1/15/2004, Tim Fifield wrote: It appears that my polygons are in direct connect mode when my design rules state that they are in relief mode. Is there something I'm missing? Probably. Let's go over the basics. There are two sets of connection rules: those for copper pour and those for

Re: [PEDA] Gerber output problems

2004-01-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:54 PM 1/14/2004, Drew Mills wrote: I completed the layout of a small PCB (99SE) designed for enclosure in a moulded case, then realised I needed an additional hole for mechanical locking. So I added a free pad, with no copper - just the correct hole size. Everything looks good in PCB, but now

Re: [PEDA] Strange Power Plane Connection

2004-01-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:06 AM 1/14/2004, Juha Pajunen wrote: Pleace see this file: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users/files/junk/PLANE_ERROR.jpg You are seeing a composite display, not just the plane. You can tell because, inside one of the thermal reliefs, there is a square pad, which would be the multila

Re: [PEDA] (un)hiding part fields

2004-01-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:06 AM 1/14/2004, you wrote: While updating a schematic that has many parts with hidden fields I found that a lot of these hidden fields need to re-appear. After unhiding the part description of several parts in the Sch editor I cannot help but thinking that there must be an easier way than

Re: [PEDA] [dxp] Control Thermal Reliefs by Area

2004-01-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:48 PM 1/8/2004, Dom Bragge wrote: Further to this (somewhat harking back to the old days - process tends to improve over time) there is quite a deal of XY expansion in the copper planes, especially during wave soldering, which can lead to cracks forming at the knee (where a copper plane tu

Re: [PEDA] Protel DXP Learning Curve

2004-01-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:25 PM 1/8/2004, Steve Smith wrote: What would be a reasonable amount of time to come up to speed on the schematic capture portion of DXP? I have experience is several different CAD packages (Viewlogic, Orcad, CadInt, etc) so I understand the process. I've spent several frustrating days in DX

Re: [PEDA] P99SE ONLINE DRC stopped working help!

2004-01-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:02 PM 1/8/2004, Dennis Saputelli wrote: anyone know why ONLINE DRC might have stopped working for me? I certainly don't know, except that a stray cosmic ray can cause any program to stop working However, the fact that another ddb has DRC working pretty much rules out a program glitch.

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE on WinXP?

2004-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:39 AM 1/7/2004, Website Visitor wrote: Does anyone have any experience running Protel 99SE on WinXP? I'm curious whether it will work at all. It's running fine for me, I have WinXP on my newest notebook. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mail

Re: [PEDA] [dxp] Control Thermal Reliefs by Area

2004-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:14 PM 1/7/2004, you wrote: Is there a way to define whether or not connections to Planes get a Thermal Relief, and if so, what type, by the area of the Board in which they occur? In 99SE, this would be controlled by a Design Rule, and the choices for scope are Board, Footprint, Component/C

Re: [PEDA] Protel PCB fornat

2004-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:07 PM 1/7/2004, you wrote: Does anyone know a source or information for the format of Protel 99SE ASCII PCB files. I intend to modify ASCII files but would like to know the real format. It's self-documenting, as you will see if you open it with, say, Word. The field separator is | if you

Re: [PEDA] Using the "Equalize net lengts" function

2004-01-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:40 AM 1/6/2004, you wrote: In the near future I am going to layout a board (in Protel 99SE) with high speed digital signals (PC motherboard). The tracks in some of the buses must be of same length due to the high speeds and I must use the "Equalize Net Lengts" function. Anybody who has experi

Re: [PEDA] Transparent footprints

2004-01-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:35 PM 1/6/2004, you wrote: This is the way I usually work. As discovered by some of the EDA readers here a year or so back, my default clearance design rule is '0' by default. My silkscreen within my public online custom library exactly defines the outer physical restrictions for it's co

Re: [PEDA] Import DXP libraries to P99SE

2003-12-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:45 AM 12/23/2003, Edi Im Hof wrote: I have an inquiry for a layout, but the customer uses DXP and I'm still on P99SE. He wants to deliver me the schematics and the pcb-library or a 'pre-placed' board. Is this doable? It should be. The appropriate file formats are available in DXP under Fil

Re: [PEDA] What could we expect in next Altium EDA tools?

2003-12-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:52 AM 12/22/2003, Hamid A. Wasti wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Cynicism is the most widespread disease in our time [...] this is not a political forum, so lets stick to the topic. For the topic, see the subject line. Cynicism strongly affects our expectations. But apparently Mr

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE ERC

2003-12-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:48 AM 12/22/2003, Hamid A. Wasti wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Actually, I know only two reasons, legitimately, not to move to DXP if you are currently a 99SE user. (1) You don't have time for retraining right now *and* (2) You can't spare the cash right now. Any others? (3

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE ERC

2003-12-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Regarding the situation of a power port connected to the end of a resistor with no other instance of that power port in the schematic, i.e., it is a single-pin net, Mr. Saputelli wrote: i don't think 99SE ERC will catch this With the default error matrix, yes, it does not. However, if you set al

Re: [PEDA] Power supply pins

2003-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:58 AM 12/21/2003, Rene Tschaggelar wrote: Laurie Biddulph wrote: Is there any recommended method in Protel 99 of handling the power pins on logic chips similar to my first method above that Protel 99 can handle comfortably? Let me advocate my preferred method. I have the schematic symbol i

Re: [PEDA] What could we expect in next Altium EDA tools?

2003-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:05 PM 12/21/2003, Hamid A. Wasti wrote: Dennis Saputelli wrote: it appears that the PCB side will essentially be DXP SP3 There you go believing the guys at Altium again. What next? Are you now going to start believing things that come out of the mouths of politicians? Cynicism is the most

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE ERC

2003-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:53 PM 12/19/2003, Tony Karavidas wrote: There are so many reasons voiced as to why to not move to DXP. Here is one reason TO MOVE to DXP. It now checks for that error. Actually, I know only two reasons, legitimately, not to move to DXP if you are currently a 99SE user. (1) You don't have ti

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE ERC

2003-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:42 PM 12/19/2003, Dennis Saputelli wrote: i once had a power port symbol "+12V2" connected to one end of a resistor the rest of the board was all "+12V" for that power and i didn't notice it good 'ol cut and paste - it wasn't my fault! :) anyway the resistor didn't go anywhere on one end and

Re: [PEDA] What is the meaning of "DXP"

2003-12-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
About half my messages to the Forum are now bouncing back with a message that the mail server can't access techservinc.com. Might be a problem with my domain host, to be sure This one is resent. Usually the resent messages get through. At 11:25 AM 12/17/2003, Protel Hell wrote: whew! lots t

Re: [PEDA] What is the meaning of "DXP"

2003-12-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:40 PM 12/16/2003, Protel Hell wrote: so what's the excuse for pcb not matching schematic? The history was two different DOS programs... Then there are differences in what is natural with schematics and what is natural with PCB design. In schematic, symbol representation is important but not

Re: [PEDA] What is the meaning of "DXP"

2003-12-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
It occurs to me that something I wrote was less than clear. At 05:33 PM 12/15/2003, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I've been starting to use DXP, and my first impressions are (1) DXP has some very nice features (2) As others have noted, there is a learning curve. I wrote abou

Re: [PEDA] What is the meaning of "DXP"

2003-12-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:12 PM 12/15/2003, Protel Hell wrote: ha, ha, ha! how about Don't eXpect Productivity? DXP seems more like an 80's DOS program like Wordstar than a modern Windows application, the ctrl-alt-keyclicks are not even consistant between PCB-schematic-and CamTastic This is not at all surprising.

[PEDA] Mail problem

2003-12-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I wrote in another thread: At 02:11 PM 12/15/2003, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I wrote an extensive response in this thread last week, and it seems to have disappeared. Last week I started to get back a few Mailer Daemon error messages that the domain "techservinc.com" could not be re

Re: [PEDA] polygons

2003-12-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I wrote an extensive response in this thread last week, and it seems to have disappeared. Last week I started to get back a few Mailer Daemon error messages that the domain "techservinc.com" could not be reached. But some messages did get through and in this case I got no error message We'll

Re: [PEDA] Power supply pins

2003-12-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
{this message bounced first time, outgoing mail server couldn't find "techservinc.com") At 06:10 AM 12/10/2003, Laurie Biddulph wrote: I hate having power supply pins as part of schematic component symbols (especially opamps and logic gate chips). I prefer to create an additional `component

Re: [PEDA] GND planes

2003-12-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:11 PM 12/10/2003, Harry Selfridge wrote: [an excellent discussion of signal noise, etc., particularly emphasizing what should be on every designers radar: return path.] I might add that the rule that inexperienced engineers frequently use without thought - to connect analog and digital gro

Re: [PEDA] double pins

2003-12-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I thought Mr. Bagget's comments deserved a more detailed response. At 10:21 AM 12/9/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Imagine if you were the Protel computer program. The user would need to tell you in an unambiguous manner how these double pins were instantiated. If they are given the same na

Re: [PEDA] double pins

2003-12-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:21 AM 12/9/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: As to the old question of how Protel treats pads with the same name/number: we don't know for sure, and cannot find out. And anything we assume is likely to become incorrect across versions. So it's best to use unique pin names/numbers. Perhap

Re: [PEDA] Printed Gerber, Shape of SMDpad and silk circle

2003-12-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
A note on the etiology of the Protel Octagonal pad mess: The original Gerber specification for octagonal pads was somewhat ambiguous. It appears that the Protel programmers didn't realize the ambiguity and nail it down, an easy mistake to make. Anyway, when the specification was rewritten to re

Re: [PEDA] double pins

2003-12-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:46 PM 12/5/2003, Rene Tschaggelar wrote: A footprint of a connector, the microstac of ERNI, contains each two faces per pin. Each pin is just one piece of brass, but not touching in its middle. An explicitely not having copper there. So I placed two pins with the same number each. Protel 99SE

Re: [PEDA] Multilayer connecting to throughhole pads

2003-12-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:34 PM 12/2/2003, you wrote: Now, I have several throughhole pads that should connect to a midlayer. They appear not to connect though. Beside the 4 90degree sectors, that form a heat resistance, also a ring can bee seen, obviously isolating the hole. The vias only have the sectors, not the ri

Re: [PEDA] Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage DXP

2003-12-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:42 PM 11/20/2003, JaMi Smith wrote: What I perceive from my original reading of the announcement is that Protel / Altium is going to drop DXP and nVisage DXP (DXPnV), and replace it with a new product, Protel 2004 (P04), which will be given to all current DXP and DXPnV (collectively "DXP(nV)"

Re: [PEDA] Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage DXP

2003-11-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:56 AM 11/20/2003, JaMi Smith wrote: Maybe I just need to get a good nights sleep before I try and read this thing again. Maybe you should follow that practice every time you think that Altium is a collection of idiots and you are tempted to fly off the handle as you did. [...] Seriously, I

Re: [PEDA] Logo and non-English characters on PCB documents in DX P

2003-11-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:53 PM 11/19/2003, Terry Creer wrote: If it's coming to that, for the first 3 callers, I'll give you a FREE $50 GIFT VOUCHER* *Vouchers are only redeemable at the Bombaloocha Village, Hai-ke-koo Island, 1200 kms west, 890 kms south of Tasmania, Australia. Take your snow gear, cause it's co

Re: [PEDA] Utility to count SMD/Through-hole components

2003-11-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:07 PM 11/19/2003, Steve Wiseman wrote: Sounds to me like sorting the BOM based on footprint will get the answer as accurately as is needed for this... I'd agree, generally. There might be an exception; perhaps a board has a huge pile of discrete SMT and through-hole devices. However: There'

Re: [PEDA] Logo and non-English characters on PCB documents in DXP

2003-11-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:42 PM 11/19/2003, William Dager wrote: Seems like we have a bidding war going on here. Got a taker at $50, several at $0.00, anybody want to make a bid at paying ME $50? You'll get the file! Just a little comment on this situation. One user offered to do the conversion for a fee that was n

Re: [PEDA] Another UF found - update

2003-11-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:08 PM 11/19/2003, Dennis Saputelli wrote: yeah i agree (although i haven't seen this particular bug) 'just say no' to the protel text editor it's not very good and too idiosyncratic anyway I think the text editor has some problems with fonts You can set the font that is displayed, but so

Re: [PEDA] Utility to count SMD/Through-hole components

2003-11-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:35 AM 11/19/2003, Leo Potjewijd wrote: At 19/11/2003 01:09, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote (among other things): [a list of assumptions] I must say that these statements are not entirely correct: many SMD connectors need holes in the PCB for positioning or letting the mating part through. I

Re: [PEDA] Utility to count SMD/Through-hole components

2003-11-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:09 PM 11/18/2003, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: It is rare, however, that a surface mount component would have any through-hole pads associated with it. Vias, yes, maybe, pads, no. (Of course, Protel treats vias and pads somewhat interchangeably, but one could ordinarily choose to use vias

Re: [PEDA] Another UF found

2003-11-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:18 PM 11/18/2003, Leo Potjewijd wrote: With just a schematic and a textfile open (schematic active), I printed the schematic and then switched to the textfile. When I hit the printer button to print the textfile the PC rebooted. I can not remember if I printed the text some time earlier in

Re: [PEDA] Utility to count SMD/Through-hole components

2003-11-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:38 AM 11/18/2003, you wrote: The Protel 99SE has a Report Generating Mechanism for BOM creation. I want an add-on utility or a process script that can separately count the number of SMD and Through-hole components. Can someone comment on it ?. The Protel database does not contain ful

Re: [PEDA] Logo and non-English characters on PCB documents in DX P

2003-11-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:58 PM 11/17/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a Bitmap converter that you could download from the forum web sight. I still have a copy of it and could e-mail it too you. The converter was never on the "forum" web site, it was on the protel-users web site on yahoogroups, in the file se

Re: [PEDA] State of PCB (aka EDA) tool business

2003-11-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:53 PM 11/4/2003, you wrote: What a do know is the 200,000 ALU shares I own are now half what I paid for them with only 2 cent div for the last year, the IPO was at $2.00 so they have lost several hundred million of shareholders money.. Or, you might say, they have invested it in forms th

Re: [PEDA] nc drill file and gerber generation Protel DXP

2003-11-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:04 PM 11/4/2003, Patrick Smeets wrote: 1) When I want to export my Protel DXP file to gerber and an NC drill file then sometimes the output is not readable in an independent gerber viewer like Gerbview, only in Camtastic - which is an Altium product. It's pretty likely that if Gerbview is pro

Re: [PEDA] State of PCB (aka EDA) tool business

2003-11-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:53 PM 11/3/2003, Darren wrote: Not sure where that number comes from, but Altium sales where around 50 Mill AUD or 35 Mill USD, for 2002. That's "Consolidated Entities," AU$52 million for fiscal 2002, which includes the companies owned by Altium. From the report, however, these seem to be

Re: [PEDA] State of PCB (aka EDA) tool business

2003-11-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:44 PM 11/3/2003, you wrote: interesting what is that in US$ ? US$1.00 is roughly AU$1.50 at the 12 mil level double is a lot! So it ends up as $US16 million. But I''m not at all sure how to relate that figure to what's in the annual report. Altium Ltd itself shows fiscal 2003 revenue of AU

Re: [PEDA] PCB Routing GND

2003-11-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I see this mail didn't go out when I wrote it so here it is. At 03:16 AM 10/30/2003, Website Visitor wrote: I have not found a way yet to disable, or stop, Protel from routing GND traces. I have a GND plane and all of the components are connected to it via thermals. However, when ever I us

Re: [PEDA] State of PCB (aka EDA) tool business

2003-11-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:03 PM 11/1/2003, Dennis Saputelli wrote: I don't know how many people Altium has but these days $12 mil gross revenue is not a huge number for an international going enterprise true. But the revenue for Altium, estimated based on 3rd quarter 2003 annualized, is about double that. Still not h

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