Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread van de Werken, Matthew (DEM, PH)
Hi Duane: I don't know if this is the question you were actually asking, but there are EXACTLY 25.4 mm per inch. Cheers, MvdW > -Original Message- > From: Duane Hague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2001 9:42 > To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers > Subj

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:50 AM 3/7/01 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Point taken if it is in the decimal form but 0.1 inch is 1/10 of an inch >and if you think of it as a fraction rather than a decimal, the fraction >has got to be a more acurate measurment than a rounded decimal. No, there is no difference bet

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Clive . Broome
Using 2/3 of an inch or .67 of an inch, its obvious which one is the more accurate. Maybe fractions rather than rounded decimals used in conversions would allow better accuracy. ___ Clive Broome IDT Sydney Design CentrePh:

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Duane Hague
As the guilty party who triggered this digression, I feel constrained to contribute. The change evidently occurred when I was out of the country (military stuff) and I failed to notice it for over thirty years. My 1966 Handbook of Chemistry & Physics gives US Inch = 25.40005 millimeters and

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:23 PM 3/6/01 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >I would never assume any dimension to be dead accurate >as you must allow for rounding off and tolerances. This is true for measured or specified physical dimensions. However, we should also know that 1 inch is *exactly* 2.54 cm. because that is th

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Andrew J Jenkins
On 12:23 PM 3/6/01 -0500, Steve Smith said: >I would never assume any dimension to be dead accurate >as you must allow for rounding off and tolerances. Ah...tolerances...Now why exactly would we care about those? After all, we're in a metric age, where everything is by default exact to the nth

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Clive . Broome
Point taken if it is in the decimal form but 0.1 inch is 1/10 of an inch and if you think of it as a fraction rather than a decimal, the fraction has got to be a more acurate measurment than a rounded decimal. ___ Clive Broome IDT S

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Andrew J Jenkins
On 09:43 AM 3/6/01 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >Depends on the format of the original. 0.1inch is far more accurate than >2.54mm >because 0.1 = 0.10. No. That is incorrect. Otherwise, it would have been published as 0.10. Though we presume it to be true, by virtue of refe

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Steve Smith
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >Depends on the format of the original. 0.1inch is far more >accurate than 2.54mm because 0.1 = 0.10 That's not quite right. 0.1 could be anywhere between 0.050 and 0.149. Even 0.10 could be between 0.009 and .104 I would never assume any dimension to be dead

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Geoff Harland
> > Depends on the format of the original. 0.1inch is far more > > accurate than 2.54mm > > because 0.1 = 0.10.. > > Clive Broome > > By definition, 1 inch = 25.4mm exactly. This was standardised > some decades ago. > > It's when rounded numbers are used that problems occur. > >

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Clive . Broome
Depends on the format of the original. 0.1inch is far more accurate than 2.54mm because 0.1 = 0.10.. If you go with the sequence 2.54, 1.27, 0.635 or 0.1, 0.05, 0.025 the imperial system is the more accurate as it has more decimal places. For high pin count devices it could bec

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread John Haddy
By definition, 1 inch = 25.4mm exactly. This was standardised some decades ago. It's when rounded numbers are used that problems occur. Cheers, John Haddy > -Original Message- > From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2001

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Linden Doyle
Duane, I have also been in this situation. Check the manufacturers data sheet. Somewhere in the fine print should be a statement along the lines of "Controlling dimension : inches" or "Controlling dimension : millimetres" Of course the wording may differ between manufacturers but

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Clive . Broome
0.635mm is not 0.65mm but both measurements are standard pin pitches along with others. If a device 'appears' to have different pin pitches it means it comes in different package types, so I would be double checking the manufacturers website (eg http://www.idt.com/packages/index.html) and the s

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Mike Ingle
I strongly reccomend that you get a sample part from the manufacturer and measure it yourself. Also if their documentation is confilcting, a call wouldn't hurt. Mike -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Duane Hague Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 3

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:59 PM 3/3/01 -0800, Mike Ingle wrote: >I strongly reccomend that you get a sample part from the manufacturer and >measure it yourself. Also if their documentation is confilcting, a call >wouldn't hurt. Good advice. Actually, rereading the original post, it looks like there is only one er

[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Duane Hague
Here is hoping that some knowledgeable "old hand" could point me in the right direction. Or have I just stumbled into the rabbit hole? I am now starting to understand the problems with footprint libraries and why "you do your own" but am very confused about one area of detail. Any help would

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:57 PM 3/3/01 -0500, Duane Hague wrote: >For example, on QFPs the same manufacturer will refer to a part as having >a 25 "mill" (0.025 inch) pin pitch and then provide a package drawing in >metric showing a pitch of 0.65 millimeters "Typical" (and the other >dimensions on the drawing indic

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Confused Newbie on Footprints

2001-05-07 Thread Phillip Stevens
In my experience the metric units are the more exact dimensions, with the inch units being only a close approximation. Found this when using a Zilog VQFP once. Board came back, and part would only line up on pads about 3/4 way down one side of the package. Looking closer at the mechanical dat