Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-11 Thread Matt Pobursky
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:18:04 +1000 (EST), DUTTON Phil wrote: I have used Protel to produce schematics and design boards for many years and find it an excellent and fair priced tool for the intended job. You really consider $8000US a fair priced tool for a package where schematic capture and PCB

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Drew
: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...) I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question. It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll just keep forking out hard earned

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Katinka Mills
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:28, you wrote: I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question. It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll just keep forking out hard earned money for

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:28, you wrote: I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question. It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll just keep forking out hard earned

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Edi Im Hof
At 10:29 10.07.02 +1000, you wrote: Tom, many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably better from our users' point of view if more people voiced their opinion. That would hopefully let them understand we are serious when we say 'We are not buying this anymore'.

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:09 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...) On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:28, you wrote: I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:09 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...) On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:28, you wrote: I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's just not going

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Katinka Mills
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:51, you wrote: So you've dropped a pro package for a hobby package? Maybe it could be better, given enough time, but most of the people on this list aren't hobbyist, then make a living (in part) by doing SCH capture and PCB layout. Like I said before, what's your time

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Gmitrovic wrote: Tom, many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably better from our users' point of view if more people voiced their opinion. That would hopefully let them understand we are serious when we say 'We are not buying this anymore'. We made the

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
there, 'cause they say it's going away in DXP. Tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Elson Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:46 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...) Igor Gmitrovic

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Cam Andruik
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: July 10, 2002 12:46 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...) Igor Gmitrovic wrote: Tom, many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably better from our users' point of view if more people

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:27 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...) I have to agree that Protel99SE does what I need it to do. And I have used it long enough to know the workarounds. The price of upgrading

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Jon Elson
Tony Karavidas wrote: I think you're in the minority on P98. I remember really enjoying the update from prior versions. What didn't you like about P98? Well, I was running it on Windows 95, which wasn't recommended. But, that's what I had. The major problem was with the autorouter, and I

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Dennis Saputelli
- don't do it! (was restore defaults...) Igor Gmitrovic wrote: Tom, many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably better from our users' point of view if more people voiced their opinion. That would hopefully let them understand we are serious when we say 'We

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Daniel Webster
Regarding this discussion, I too will add my voice to those who feel upgrading to DXP and ATS is not a worthy investment at this point. I would have been much happier if the software had remained much the same as 99SE, but with greater functionality. Instead of building a whole new interface, it

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Dennis Saputelli
do you know for a fact that the basics have all changed as you say here? do you have DXP? Dennis Saputelli Daniel Webster wrote: Regarding this discussion, I too will add my voice to those who feel upgrading to DXP and ATS is not a worthy investment at this point. I would have been much

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Daniel Webster
Dennis: yes I have DXP and have tested it's various functions. Not all basics have changed, but several well established ways of operating the software have been changed, and it appears that these have not added functionality, just made it harder to re-learn the functions of the software, to

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Tony Karavidas
If he did, he isn't supposed to admit it on this list. -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:32 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...) do you know for a fact

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread DUTTON Phil
- don't do it! (was restore defaults...) Regarding this discussion, I too will add my voice to those who feel upgrading to DXP and ATS is not a worthy investment at this point. I would have been much happier if the software had remained much the same as 99SE, but with greater functionality. Instead

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Ian Wilson
On 05:32 PM 10/07/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli said: do you know for a fact that the basics have all changed as you say here? do you have DXP? Dennis Saputelli There is a beta program underway as we all know. There is an NDA (Non-disclosure agreement) covering the beta testers. Ian Wilson

Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-09 Thread Gavin Melville
I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question. It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll just keep forking out hard earned money for defective software. Likewise here, based