John wrote
>You can hardly call me silent, I am certainly not in Jami's league when it
>comes to hell raising but I am certainly not quiet (no insult intended
>Jami).
>
I will vouch for Mr. Ross, He has helped me out on several occasions, including
translating a PADs file or two
Thanks John an
want to
appreciate the humour ;)
John
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> From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> At 07
At 07:16 PM 4/11/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote:
You can hardly call me silent [...]
I'm not sure where Mr. Ross lives, but in the United States various
politicians have been known to use the term "silent majority" to claim that
anyone who disagrees with them merely represents some extremist fr
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> At 02:40 PM 4/10/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote:
> >It is a sad fact that Altium would prefer to listen to the
> 'fe
so as a friend of mine once said:
'you got any _good_ news'?
our 2004 has still not arrived
i was advised by altium that the CDs were 'injected' into
the US mail system in mid march
(i'll leave that comment as the straight man setup line)
it has been a long long stated goal of protel to offer
a
>The problem with DXP, it is fairly widely acknowledged, is that its
increased power has come with an increased complexity which has not yet been
sufficiently been compensated by ease-of-use enhancements. An
experienced 99SE user is going to face a serious retraining hit at this time. The
gener
contacted for
whatevers. Do they offer me a free upgrade maintenance or anything else?
Heck no
The product was PADS.
Joe
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Joe Sapienza wrote:
This past week I was invited to a show and tell of one of the competitor
products new versions.
Pray tell what competitor's product art thou looking at.
Hamid
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> At 02:40 PM 4/10/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote:
> >It is a sad fact that Altium would prefer to listen to the 'few' than the
> >many as regards how thei
At 02:40 PM 4/10/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote:
It is a sad fact that Altium would prefer to listen to the 'few' than the
many as regards how their tools are now styled, viewed and the direction
that they have taken.
This brings us to a classic problem, that of the alleged "silent majority."
Un
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> I took a look at the Pulsonix website tod
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> On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:19:34 -0700, Brooks,Bill w
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> Altium better start to listen to fo
At 12:51 PM 4/10/2004, Christopher Coley wrote:
I am getting fairly fed up with all this negativism towards Altium.
With all due respect, if the negativism is leading to digestive
disturbances, the sensible thing is to stop reading the thread which is
clearly, on the face, about alternatives to A
At 02:44 AM 4/10/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[re Altium's essay into software maintenance fees]
And why did we reject the idea? I can not speak for you, but I can speak
for myself. There were two reasons. First, when I bought 99SE, it came
with support included in the price I paid for it.
t I have always found a work around or that I was
doing something wrong.
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I got my 2004 disks last week, so far I have found it to be very good. Much
better than DXP. The new schematic wiring modes are great, real time
savers, and the sch display is neater too. PCB hasn't changed much compared
to dxp but I like that side mostly anyway. The whole package 'seems'
finis
Matt Pobursky wrote:
As for me and my PCB designer -- we've decided to use Protel 99SE until
it becomes impractical for us.
That is where I was last July after giving DXP a try. However, I got a
project out of the blue that I was not sure could be done in 99SE. At
that point, it was too late
Brooks,Bill wrote:
This is pretty damning commentary. And maybe a bit 'rash'...
What exactly do you mean by calling the commentary "rash" ?
Logically, their business model tried to change awhile back... they tried to
introduce a system whereby support services would be the revenue stream to
rep
At 01:50 PM 4/9/2004, Leon Heller wrote:
Have a look at Pulsonix: http://www.pulsonix.com
It was developed from scratch by a group of people who used to work for
Zuken-Redac, support is excellent. Unlike Altium, they fix bugs immediately
they come to light.
There are a number of small companies wh
How about the other Altium package, PCAD?
I'm amazed that Altium markets both when I can't find a straight up
comparison between them.
John Strupat
JST Limited
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> Then I guess I'll be back to that familiar place of having to pick a new
> CAD system.
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> o~o
> Cliff Gerhard, P.E.
> E-M Designs, Inc.
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see them surviving too much longer.
Then I guess I'll be back to that familiar place of having to pick a new
CAD system.
o~o
Cliff Gerhard, P.E.
E-M Designs, Inc.
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So I assume they use it as a budle for their PCB milling machines?
Yes, Pulsonix has a
So I assume they use it as a budle for their PCB milling machines?
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&
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:19:34 -0700, Brooks,Bill wrote:
> This is pretty damning commentary. And maybe a bit 'rash'...
>
> It does make me think hard about Mentor and the cost/vs. productivity
> issues.
> If, I say,* IF * Altium is shifting its focus to the embedded systems market
> as a way of garn
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:19:34 -0700, Brooks,Bill wrote:
> Those big vendors like Cadence and Mentor will all adopt the old business
> model because the only players will be big companies... no competition,
> maybe Protel can't compete. Or maybe we just don't see the whole picture...
> Lots of 'maybes
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edsi wrote:
>Altium better start to listen to folks like Ray. Ray came to th
99SE
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> I'm sure they wer
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Mike,
You left out the surprise that Dimensioning is also an OPTION, yes it is
designed
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> I am in agreement with Bill Brooks and his comments about PADS. I too own
a seat of PADS. Unfortunately
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> How about phone support in the
How about phone support in the USA?
tr :)
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> Hi Leon;
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> Is the p
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> Hi Leon:
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> Does the
edsi wrote:
Altium better start to listen to folks like Ray. Ray came to the same conclusions that everyone else has about DXP without anyone holding a prompter if front of him. Ray's statement are pretty significant from a marketing standpoint
I was at the PCB design expo last month. Altium
Hi Leon;
Is the phone support good at Pulsonix?
tr :)
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Hi Leon:
Does the Pulsonix autorouter have a "push-n-shove" algorithm?
tr :)
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> Our group has used Protel for years. I've tried to get eve
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The 'best' program out there by popular opinion... I hate to say this...
y Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Our group has used Protel for years. I've tried to get everyone to change
to something else for most of that time but the resistanc
ager
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Our group has used Protel for years. I've
Ray
The choice is simple you need to purchase Mentor Expedition , appox cost 36K.
Simply the best
Mike Reagan
EDSI
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Our group has used Protel for years. I've tried to get everyone to change
to something else for most of that time but the resistance has been fairly
great. It seems that the the philosophy has been that pain you know is
preferable to the pain you don't know. However, with the introduction of
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