At 09:38 AM 5/7/2002 -0500, David VanHorn wrote:
>>Stop! Don't confuse the terms!
>
>I'm not confused.
This has gotten a tad out of hand. The subject of this list is Protel
software, not RAID systems or whether person A or person B is or is not
confused. A RAID discussion is peripherally rela
My main machine is an Athlon 2000, 1G ram on a Soyo Dragon+ motherboard,
with two Maxtor 100G drives, a DVD drive, and CDRW.
I have the raid functions off, and have each drive on it's own controller
(four controllers) I run XP pro.
The whole thing is wrapped up in a Koolance case, with HD coo
At 05:12 PM 5/7/2002 +0200, Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
>I have about one drive crash, physical crash, per year.
Time to switch vendors!
I run Maxtor drives, and over the last couple years have had zero problems.
That's on six drives running 24/7.
It's no data center, but it's a data point.
>A rai
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Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: "Rene Tschaggelar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:12 AM
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> I have about one drive crash
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> &g
I have about one drive crash, physical crash, per year.
I'm convinced the technology the drives are built on is less reliable
that 10 years ago. It may be that the pressure to deliver makes
these companies deliver too quick.
Those drives from the 80-ies were reliable, some are still working,
even
>
>Stop! Don't confuse the terms!
I'm not confused.
>A raid system is definitly NOT a backup, it's something like a fail safe
>system!
>It protects ONLY against hardware failture and can't replace a backup system.
Does it protect against failures of the raid controller?
Does it protect agains
>I don't understand your comment. I didn't ask any questions
>to have answered.
>You said: "...Just what might have happened to you..." Nothing happened to
me.
It was a "clever" attempt at a dig. See. Nyah...See?
aj1
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At 02:24 07.05.02 -0500, you wrote:
>The basic assumptions of raid systems seem flawed.
>
>Is a hard drive today, less reliable than it's controller, or the OS and
>applications?
>
>If the OS or app crashes, and tells the controller to write junk, then you
>have a stack of nice error correctin
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> The basic assumptions of raid systems seem flawed.
>
> Is a hard drive today, less reliable than it's controller, or the OS and
> applications?
>
> If the OS or app crashes, and
The basic assumptions of raid systems seem flawed.
Is a hard drive today, less reliable than it's controller, or the OS and
applications?
If the OS or app crashes, and tells the controller to write junk, then you
have a stack of nice error correcting junk.
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> Here is your answer Tony. Just what might have happened to you. I have
> nothing further.
>
> Igor
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> From: Rene Tschaggelar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Here is your answer Tony. Just what might have happened to you. I have
nothing further.
Igor
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From: Rene Tschaggelar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 6:26 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] recovering data
You're right Tony
I do
On the subject of CD-R lifetimes, Kodak has done a lot of work on this
subject.
See http://www.kodak.com/US/en/digital/cdr/tech/ for the details.
Paul
>
> There is an interesting but article on degrading disks:
> http://www.roxio.com/en/support/discs/dodiscsdegrade.html
>
> Not scientific but s
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> > i just got a tape drive IDE internal
> > b4 you trash tape this one is pretty cool
> > IDE 30/60gig
> > Tape
On 12:53 PM 30/04/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support said:
><..snip..>
>I don't understand Matt's claim that CD's aren't reliable. If you handle
>them carefully (don't use them as coasters and keep your greasy fingers off
>the optical surface) they are very reliable.
There is an interesting but
On 09:46 AM 30/04/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli said:
><..snip..>
>with the hard drive method its hard to get all the old versions
>sometimes the older backup is the better one
That is why I zip into a file with the date in the name.
1) I get daily backups
2) I do not need any proprietary software
Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
> It happened a project disappeared ...
>
> I was able to recover the gerber files and loaded them into
> Camtastic 2000. Exporting the netlist somehow failed.
> A .net was created, consisting of 2 lines :
> % coordinates
> % end
> Beside that camtastic appears to be a 16
At 12:53 PM 4/30/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
>Since Protel DDBs are so huge now, fitting a large project on one CD-R might
>be a problem.
Protel DDBs get large if one does not empty trash and compact the database.
The latter is the most important and the least visible problem, the
Hi Ivan
>>Since Protel DDBs are so huge now, fitting a large project on one CD-R
might
>>be a problem. I have yet to see good backup software that will span a
>>backup across multiple CD-R. Anyone know of one?
if you store your work on a seperate drive (not your OS drive) like me you
can use n
This is partially true. Think back in your own experience of the number of
disk crashes/failures as opposed to the number of system meltdowns, fires,
lightning strikes, etc. I bet you've seen WAY more of the former.
Tony
> >using a second internal hard drive on the same box is not a
> >great i
uesday, April 30, 2002 2:03 PM
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> On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:46:49 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote:
> >i just got a tape drive IDE internal b4 you trash tape this one
> >is pretty cool IDE 30/60gig Tapeware software runs in background
> >and makes an i
n you add a
session if you want it too (ie. changed or new files) this i find adequate.
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From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 April 2002 13:16
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] recovering data
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> Is there a recommended software that does b
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:59:05 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support
wrote:
>It will be interesting to see how long the drive works reliably
>before it starts having read errors. In my experience with QIC
>and Ditto drives, after a while the tape drives have too many
>read errors. Even after cleaning the
d one.
seagate are stunning for service. my opion only of course, your mileage my
vary ;-)
Rich
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From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 April 2002 06:13
To: Protel EDA Forum
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At 08:55 PM 29/04/02 -0700, you wrote:
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:53:31 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support
wrote:
>Yeah, I think ZIP drives are pretty lame now. They were a good
>idea a few years ago, but when CD-R/RW came out and got cheap,
>ZIP drives are dinosaurs now.
Zip drives still have their place transporting data from system
to sys
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:46:49 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote:
>i just got a tape drive IDE internal b4 you trash tape this one
>is pretty cool IDE 30/60gig Tapeware software runs in background
>and makes an incremental b/u every night unattended every
>version of every file is on there and it is ver
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> The only problem with Zip drives or CD's is that they have pretty
> limited storage capacity. They are also not the most relia
i just got a tape drive IDE internal
b4 you trash tape this one is pretty cool
IDE 30/60gig
Tapeware software runs in background and makes an incremental b/u every
night unattended
every version of every file is on there and it is very fast
pretty easy to retrieve
with the hard drive method its h
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:16:20 -0400, Mike Reagan wrote:
>Rene,
>
>I have attached a zip drive to every computer I use. They are
>cheap, 100-
>150 US.I back every file I worked on, libs, ddbs, docs.
>everything at the end of the day. I have had several drives
>crash over the past few years.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:26:27 +0200, Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
>Is there a recommended software that does backup based on disk
>copy operations, no need for zipping. I hate tapes, they are no
>up to the job. The software should find the differences. Meaning
>find changed files.
>Don't fail on open fi
>
> Is there a recommended software that does backup based on disk copy
> operations, no need for zipping. I hate tapes, they are no up to
> the job. The software should find the differences. Meaning find
> changed files.
Rene,
I have attached a zip drive to every computer I use. They are che
You're right Tony
I do make backups just not as often as you do. I experience at least
one drive crash per year, meaning I'm prepared. While I could
run server-centered I just don't have the confidence in the server.
I have raid5 array on the server but the software fails on
multiple copy operati
At 08:55 PM 29/04/02 -0700, you wrote:
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>I triple backup because my livelyhood depends on it! I have two drives in my
>machine that get mirrored. This covers me from a drive crash or even an
>accidental file overwrite. On a weekly basis, I copy my data to another
>machine, so if my driv
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> Tony,
>
> people come to this forum for help and not to be publicly denigrated.
> Psychologists say that we see in others what we have first s
p was enabled and
your disk drive is still alive you might find your files there.
Regards,
Igor
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From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 1:58 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] recovering data
Not to sound harsh, but that was
Brad Velander wrote:
> Rene,
> did you have auto-back-ups enabled? If so then you should search the
> drive (assuming it is not complete toast) for "PCB filename".bk1, "PCB
> filename".bk2, etc., to the maximum number of backups you had specified. I
> hope that you did not turn off the Prot
gt; From: Rene Tschaggelar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:33 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] recovering data
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> Thanks, but the drive crashed. And backup was a bit behind.
>
> Rene
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> -Original Message-
> From: Rene Tschaggelar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:33 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
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> Thanks, but the drive crashed. And backup was a bit behind.
>
> Rene
>
> S
Thanks, but the drive crashed. And backup was a bit behind.
Rene
Stephen Casey wrote:
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> Rene,
>
> > Is there a way to recover the pcb file ?
>
> I don't have much time to go into detail now, but try doing a search for
> *.pcb, from the Windows 'Start' menu. It should show up any backup file
Rene,
> Is there a way to recover the pcb file ?
I don't have much time to go into detail now, but try doing a search for
*.pcb, from the Windows 'Start' menu. It should show up any backup files
that have been saved to your hard drive.
Good luck - I'm sure you'll get many more useful suggestion
It happened a project disappeared ...
I was able to recover the gerber files and loaded them into
Camtastic 2000. Exporting the netlist somehow failed.
A .net was created, consisting of 2 lines :
% coordinates
% end
Beside that camtastic appears to be a 16 bit toy not being able
to generate long
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