[ptp-general] Alix - RHEL5 instead of OpenWRT

2009-01-05 Thread Keith Lofstrom
After beating my head against the OpenWRT wall for weeks - one thing after another not working as expected - I cravenly gave up and installed my favorite distro (Scientific Linux 5, a RHEL5 clone) on my ALIX board. In one day, I am farther along than I was with OpenWRT. That may be my familiarit

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Tyler Booth
Stephouse is a Clear dealership, so I let me try and "Clear" things up...(sorry, couldn't resist) 1. The AUP is agreed to upon purchasing, the dealership (should) give you a printed copy of it. It explicitly prohibits connection sharing. 2. The differences in pricing when it monthly vs. cont

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Rick Lindahl
Michael, Sam, Russell, etc... I have been doing some checking on Clear's new services as well... In my opinion the biggest problem is limited throughput; 200meg, 2 gig or unlimited (based on mobile service quoted online) Just based on the throughput limitations alone, I can't imagine using

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Michael Weinberg
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > >> "Gary" == Gary writes: > > Gary> I disagree -- most common ISP/NSP usage policy tenets appear in > Gary> their TOS and the section I quoted specifically say that their > Gary> TOS are also their AUP. I used to work for a tier one n

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Russell Senior
> "Gary" == Gary writes: Gary> I disagree -- most common ISP/NSP usage policy tenets appear in Gary> their TOS and the section I quoted specifically say that their Gary> TOS are also their AUP. I used to work for a tier one network Gary> provider and though that was over 10 years ago now, A

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Gary
Michael Weinberg wrote: > Just because Clearwire reserves the right to manage > bandwidth, it doesn't mean that they have no other expectation or > requirements for what their customers must or must not do. I stand by > my position that something is missing. "Clearwire may suspend or discontinue

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Michael
Gary wrote: > "You acknowledge that speed and bandwidth available to each computer or > device connected to the network may vary for reasons including, but not > limited to the number of users, computers or devices connected to the > network, the amount of data being transferred over the network,

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Michael Weinberg
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Gary wrote: > > "You also agree that Clearwire retains the right, in its sole and > absolute discretion, to employ network management activities including, > but not limited to (i) reducing, limiting, or otherwise restricting > uplink and downlink speeds and trans

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Gary
"You also agree that Clearwire retains the right, in its sole and absolute discretion, to employ network management activities including, but not limited to (i) reducing, limiting, or otherwise restricting uplink and downlink speeds and transfer rates, (ii) reducing or limiting peer-to-peer sessio

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Michael Weinberg
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Gary wrote: > > Michael Weinberg wrote: >> as it appears to lack >> much of the usage specifics that typically is in an AUP, I'm inclined >> toward the former reading. >> > > I disagree -- most common ISP/NSP usage policy tenets appear in their > TOS and the secti

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Gary
Michael Weinberg wrote: > as it appears to lack > much of the usage specifics that typically is in an AUP, I'm inclined > toward the former reading. > I disagree -- most common ISP/NSP usage policy tenets appear in their TOS and the section I quoted specifically say that their TOS are also the

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Michael Weinberg
IANAL, but I read that to mean that the Terms of Service also require compliance with the AUP, a separate document. I suppose it could mean that the Terms of Service include the AUP, but as it appears to lack much of the usage specifics that typically is in an AUP, I'm inclined toward the former r

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Gary
"13. Acceptable Use Policy. The Acceptable Use Policy is incorporated into these Terms of Service as though they are a part of it. Clearwire reserves the right to immediately restrict, limit, suspend or terminate your Service or terminate this Agreement for any violation of the Acceptable Use Poli

[ptp-general] Re: Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Sam Churchill
That's a question I've been trying to get answered, too. I'll ask CEO Ben Wolf, tomorrow if there's some policy. The answer I got from the Broadway storefront (near Lloyd Center), is that it's okay -- but who'd want to leave their connection "open"? But any number of mobile WiFi routers will soon

[ptp-general] Clear(wire) as backhaul, is it allowed?

2009-01-05 Thread Michael Weinberg
I wonder if anyone has looked into this with more success than I've had. I spoke with the manager of the soon-to-be-open "interactive kiosk" at the Lloyd Center (who was working at the, I assume, non-interactive kiosk) and asked her about sharing àla neighborhood hotspot and she said that while y