Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-04 Thread Ryan Sleevi via Public
ed. > > > > Regards > > Mads > > > > *From:* Public [mailto:public-boun...@cabforum.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy > Rowley via Public > *Sent:* onsdag 3. januar 2018 23:25 > *To:* geo...@apple.com > *Cc:* CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List > *Subject:*

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-04 Thread Mads Egil Henriksveen via Public
ards Mads From: Public [mailto:public-boun...@cabforum.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Rowley via Public Sent: onsdag 3. januar 2018 23:25 To: geo...@apple.com Cc: CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document The ambiguity is

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Jeremy Rowley via Public
: Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document It looks like we’re going to be removing 3.2.2.4.1, so this will be moot, but just to explain the interpretation, 3.2.2.4.1 says that what you are doing (this sentence is the entire description of the method, the

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Geoff Keating via Public
Ryan Sleevi ; Adriano Santoni > > Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain > Authorization Document > > > > > On Dec 22, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Jeremy Rowley via Public <mailto:public@cabforum.org>> wrote: > > The attack vector is ea

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Rich Smith via Public
, January 3, 2018 2:30 PM To: Ryan Sleevi ; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List ; Kirk Hall Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document I think this is exactly the type of change that the validation working group should hash out and then propose a

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Doug Beattie via Public
2 AM To: public@cabforum.org<mailto:public@cabforum.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document I also concur with Mads, and would support the addition of more requirements to method 3.2.2.4.1. I like the solution proposed b

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Tim Hollebeek via Public
[mailto:public-boun...@cabforum.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Sleevi via Public Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:17 PM To: Kirk Hall ; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document Given the impact of this, while I don&#

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Ryan Sleevi via Public
ns to BR 3.2.2.4.1 as an agenda item? > > > > *From:* Public [mailto:public-boun...@cabforum.org] *On Behalf Of *Adriano > Santoni via Public > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 3, 2018 5:12 AM > *To:* public@cabforum.org > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact an

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Tim Hollebeek via Public
Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document Tim H, you are chairing the Validation Working Group now – can the VWG take up possible revisions to BR 3.2.2.4.1 as an agenda item? From: Public [mailto:public-boun...@cabforum.org] On Behalf Of Adriano

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Kirk Hall via Public
: [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document I also concur with Mads, and would support the addition of more requirements to method 3.2.2.4.1. I like the solution proposed by Mad, but (if I am not mistaken) there is not a specific Whois record

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Adriano Santoni via Public
owser Forum Public Discussion List ; geo...@apple.com *Subject:* Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document Then I think we should change the requirements. As a representative for a CA with a background in strong identity validation (both for natural and l

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Doug Beattie via Public
Forum Public Discussion List ; geo...@apple.com Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document Then I think we should change the requirements. As a representative for a CA with a background in strong identity validation (both for natural and

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-03 Thread Mads Egil Henriksveen via Public
ct: Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document I disagree. The requirements do not specify that. All that is required is the name of the applicant was verified under 3.2.2.1 and that the register specify the domain contact is the applicant. If Google, Inc. is specif

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-02 Thread Jeremy Rowley via Public
...@apple.com [mailto:geo...@apple.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 4:34 PM To: Jeremy Rowley ; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List Cc: Ryan Sleevi ; Adriano Santoni Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document On Dec 22, 2017, at 12

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2018-01-02 Thread Geoff Keating via Public
> On Dec 22, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Jeremy Rowley via Public > wrote: > > The attack vector is easier than that. > I use very stringent processes to verify that Google, Inc. is a legit company > in Utah. > I verify that Jeremy did indeed incorporate Google, Inc. > I call Jeremy at the phone lis

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2017-12-22 Thread Jeremy Rowley via Public
] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document Adriano, Do you have an example of how you believe 3.2.2.4.1 can be used correctly? Specifically, it does not describe the process for validating that the Applicant is the Domain Contact with the Registrar - this isn&#

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2017-12-22 Thread Ryan Sleevi via Public
I don't think we could support such a ballot, without having an explanation of why you believe method #1 is valuable and equivalent - even if tightened up - to the other methods of validation. On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:22 AM, Adriano Santoni via Public < public@cabforum.org> wrote: > Ryan, > > I

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2017-12-21 Thread Adriano Santoni via Public
Ryan, I think I see what you mean, but I also believe that the problem is not in method #1 per se, but rather in the "degrees of freedom" with which it may be implemented, as allowed by the BRs. In particular, I believe that establishing the authenticity of the request directly with the Appl

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2017-12-21 Thread Ryan Sleevi via Public
Adriano, Do you have an example of how you believe 3.2.2.4.1 can be used correctly? Specifically, it does not describe the process for validating that the Applicant is the Domain Contact with the Registrar - this isn't equivalent to using WHOIS. Here's just one scenario: - I ("Ryan Sleevi") appl

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2017-12-21 Thread Adriano Santoni via Public
Jeremy, I am not sure I fully understand the problems you describe. Would it be possible for you to provide some concrete example related to method #1, with some details, without of course mentioning specific certificates and/or organizations? Il 19/12/2017 22:30, Jeremy Rowley via Public h

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2017-12-20 Thread Rich Smith via Public
: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Jeremy Rowley via Public mailto:public@cabforum.org> > wrote: I’m looking to remove/fix both of these methods as both these methods lack the necessary controls to ensure th

Re: [cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2017-12-19 Thread Ryan Sleevi via Public
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Jeremy Rowley via Public < public@cabforum.org> wrote: > > I’m looking to remove/fix both of these methods as both these methods lack > the necessary controls to ensure that the verification ties to the domain > holder. These methods probably should have been remove

[cabfpub] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document

2017-12-19 Thread Jeremy Rowley via Public
Hi all, When reviewing the Symantec validation methods and the customers using each method, I found an alarming number of customers verified under 3.2.2.4.1 (Verification of a Domain Contact) or 3.2.2.4.5 (Domain Authorization Document) where the domain is not technically associated with the e