Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Dan Brickley
Tom Heath wrote: As always it's a case of the right tool for the right job. Regarding your other (admittedly unfounded) claim, there may be many more people who end up publishing RDF as RDFa, but collectively they may end up publishing far fewer triples in total than a small number of publishe

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Richard Cyganiak
(Public notice: anyone sick of document-versus-thing debates and 303 redirects may safely skip this message! ;-) On 14 Jul 2008, at 17:38, Mark Birbeck wrote: Let's flip the whole thing on its head, to begin with. Let's say that our RDF/XML document is referring to a car: http://cars.org/1

RE: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Tom Heath
Hi all, > -Original Message- > From: Richard Cyganiak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 July 2008 11:15 > To: Mark Birbeck > Cc: Tom Heath; Kingsley Idehen; public-lod@w3.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: > Ordnance Survey data as Linke

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Richard, > For these reasons I have always viewed RDF/XML as 'scaffolding' that > holds triples which can be about *anything* you like...anything, that > is, except itself. :) Sorry...mis-typed, as Hillary might say. Obviously RDF can talk about RDF. :) What I mean (which is hopefully clear

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Mark Birbeck
HI Richard, > Well, RDFa has made life simpler for those publishers whose requirements are > met well by RDFa. It has made life more complicated for client developers, > since they have to support yet another RDF syntax. > > I think RDFa is an important piece of the SemWeb technology puzzle, but

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Dan Brickley
Richard Cyganiak wrote: Hi Mark, On 14 Jul 2008, at 10:22, Mark Birbeck wrote: I would say that RDFa has made the situation an order of magnitude _less_ complicated, since authors and developers now have an easier way to publish metadata; Well, RDFa has made life simpler for those publisher

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Dan Brickley
Hi folks (sorry for not chiming in on LOD list before btw; I tried to join sometime back but it got wedged, but I think that was the old MIT-hosted list anyways) Richard Cyganiak wrote: I don't think this is a problem. For provenance purposes, whatever works for RDF/XML documents will also

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Hugh Glaser wrote: On 14/07/2008 10:42, "Mark Birbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] And if we are talking about an RDF browser (as our pages are, albeit with a clean URI that doesn't have the browser URI in it), getting it to include the RDF as RDFa or whatever is even stranger; af

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Hugh Glaser wrote: Thanks Tom. Er, yes. I was puzzled by the suggestion that I might duplicate the RDF in the page that did a simple html rendering of the underlying RDF I was trying to publish. I would have thought that this is actually a Bad Thing, rather than a Good Thing. And if we are ta

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Knud Hinnerk Möller
On 14.07.2008, at 09:55, Tom Heath wrote: Question: is it worth creating a duplicate RDF graph by using RDFa in HTML documents, when there is also RDF/XML available just one I don't know how other stand on this, but I always thought of RDFa and RDF/XML for solutions to different problems.

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Tom Heath wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kingsley Idehen Sent: 12 July 2008 21:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: public-lod@w3.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data (RE: How do you deprecate URIs? R

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Hugh Glaser
On 14/07/2008 10:42, "Mark Birbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > >> And if we are talking about an RDF browser (as our pages are, albeit with a >> clean URI >> that doesn't have the browser URI in it), getting it to include the RDF as >> RDFa or whatever >> is even stranger; after all >>

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Richard Cyganiak
On 14 Jul 2008, at 09:55, Tom Heath wrote: Question: is it worth creating a duplicate RDF graph by using RDFa in HTML documents, when there is also RDF/XML available just one I don't know. On first impression, it doesn't seem very useful to simply duplicate the triples. Seems like it could

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Richard Cyganiak
Hi Mark, On 14 Jul 2008, at 10:22, Mark Birbeck wrote: I would say that RDFa has made the situation an order of magnitude _less_ complicated, since authors and developers now have an easier way to publish metadata; Well, RDFa has made life simpler for those publishers whose requirements are

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Hugh, > I was puzzled by the suggestion that I might duplicate the RDF in the page > that did > a simple html rendering of the underlying RDF I was trying to publish. > I would have thought that this is actually a Bad Thing, rather than a Good > Thing. Obviously it depends on what you want

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Hugh Glaser
Thanks Tom. Er, yes. I was puzzled by the suggestion that I might duplicate the RDF in the page that did a simple html rendering of the underlying RDF I was trying to publish. I would have thought that this is actually a Bad Thing, rather than a Good Thing. And if we are talking about an RDF br

Re: RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Tom, > Question: is it worth creating a duplicate RDF graph by using RDFa in > HTML documents, when there is also RDF/XML available just one rel=".../> away, and at a distinct URI? Doesn't this RDFa + RDF/XML > pattern complicate the RDF-consumption picture in general... It's difficult to an

RDFa + RDF/XML Considered Harmful? (was RE: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data)

2008-07-14 Thread Tom Heath
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kingsley Idehen > Sent: 12 July 2008 21:43 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: public-lod@w3.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Ordnance Survey data as Linked Data (RE: How do > you deprecate URIs? Re: O