Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Hugh Glaser
On 07/02/2009 19:57, "Yves Raimond" wrote: > Hello! > >> Sorry, I just cannot accept that a SPARQL endpoint is th esort of thing that >> we should be expecting new casual users to try to use, even with a query >> builder. > > You made the point about "linkage systems" - I was answering to that.

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Giovanni Tummarello
Yves, just on the side, yes there is not much dbtune in sindice. just a few http://sindice.com/search?q=dbtune&qt=term if you have an RDF dump of the site or of part of it and you express it in a semantic sitemap you would be indexed full in very short time . Otherwise we should have the ne craw

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Yves Raimond
Hello! > Sorry, I just cannot accept that a SPARQL endpoint is th esort of thing that > we should be expecting new casual users to try to use, even with a query > builder. You made the point about "linkage systems" - I was answering to that. I am not suggesting casual users should write SPARQL q

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Hugh Glaser
Many thanks for all the stimulating response to brighten up this dreary Saturday and help me to avoid the things I really have to do. A digest of some of my further responses (so it is easy to ignore me all at once if you want!): On 07/02/2009 15:02, "Andraz Tori" wrote: > Hi Hugh, Hi. > > I thi

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread David Baxter
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Baxter wrote: > Hi Hugh, > > The OpenCyc ontology has English strings for its terms, and a search > facility at > > http://sw.opencyc.org/ > > Sorry, no Tim Berners-Lee (yet), but if you type "Tim " it will > auto-complete and show you Tim Duncan and the oth

Re: DBpedia Lookup RE: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 2/7/09 10:18 AM, Georgi Kobilarov wrote: oh, it was my laziness that kept me from announcing it publically yet, but since Hugh is complaining about the lack of URI search functionality in DBpedia, here it is: http://lookup.dbpedia.org and web service athttp://lookup.dbpedia.org/api/search.a

Re: DBpedia Lookup RE: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Michael Hausenblas
Georgi, Great news indeed, thanks for letting us know. Now also available as an ubiquity [1] command at [2]. Cheers, Michael [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Ubiquity [2] http://gist.github.com/59915 -- Dr. Michael Hausenblas DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute National Unive

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Bradley Allen
This is one of the issues I am trying to address with http://t4gm.info. There the notion of autocomplete filtering for SKOS concepts combined with content negotiation allows one to have one's cake and eat it too, at least as far user-friendly URL lookup is concerned; because of the use of XHTML+RDF

RE: DBpedia Lookup RE: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Georgi Kobilarov
and you can test the auto-complete style search at http://lookup.dbpedia.org/autocomplete.aspx -- Georgi Kobilarov Freie Universität Berlin www.georgikobilarov.com > -Original Message- > From: Georgi Kobilarov > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:19 PM > To: 'Hugh Glaser'; public-lod@

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Michael Hausenblas
FWIF, my 0.02€: I think Hugh has a point there: lower the barrier for interested people in the domain to chip in. Hence, an entry point should be provided, which is simple enough to be used by quite everyone. Experience (in the realm of linked data applications) tells that it is quite always th

DBpedia Lookup RE: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Georgi Kobilarov
> dbpedia: wanted Tim again. After clicking on a few web pages, none of > which > seemed to provide a search facility, I resorted to my usual method:- > look it > up in wikipedia and then hack the URI and hope it works in dbpedia. > (Sorry to name specific sites, guys, but I needed a few examples.

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Yves Raimond
Hello! On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: > Hi Yves, > Thank you for the response. > Yes, you are right - when we have taken over the world, there will be > powerful systems to help us do this, and I can be a happy little data > provider, while others provide my search and link

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Andraz Tori
Hi Hugh, I think you are mixing two completely different goals. Why can't one set of people provide the data while the other set of people provide search technologies over that data? It takes two completely different technologies, processes, etc. BTW: an easy way to search is also to write me

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Hugh Glaser
Hi Yves, Thank you for the response. Yes, you are right - when we have taken over the world, there will be powerful systems to help us do this, and I can be a happy little data provider, while others provide my search and linkage. But when we try to tell people that we have this wonderful resour

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread David Baxter
Hi Hugh, The OpenCyc ontology has English strings for its terms, and a search facility at http://sw.opencyc.org/ Sorry, no Tim Berners-Lee (yet), but if you type "Tim " it will auto-complete and show you Tim Duncan and the other Tims we have. We also have links to DBpedia for many of our terms

Re: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Yves Raimond
Hello! On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: > > My proposal: > *We should not permit any site to be a member of the Linked Data cloud if it > does not provide a simple way of finding URIs from natural language > identifiers.* > > Rationale: > One aspect of our Linking Data (not to

Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?

2009-02-07 Thread Hugh Glaser
My proposal: *We should not permit any site to be a member of the Linked Data cloud if it does not provide a simple way of finding URIs from natural language identifiers.* Rationale: One aspect of our Linking Data (not to mention our Linking Open Data) world is that we want people to link to our